From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@vger.kernel.org,
agk@redhat.com, mbroz@redhat.com, chris@arachsys.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Memory management livelock
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:17:52 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081002211752.68994206.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200810031407.55406.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:07:55 +1000 Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Friday 03 October 2008 13:56, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:47:21 +1000 Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
> > > > I expect there's no solution which avoids blocking the writers at some
> > > > stage.
> > >
> > > See my other email. Something roughly like this would do the trick
> > > (hey, it actually boots and runs and does fix the problem too).
> >
> > It needs exclusion to protect all those temp tags. Is do_fsync()'s
> > i_mutex sufficient? It's qute unobvious (and unmaintainable?) that all
> > the callers of this stuff are running under that lock.
>
> Yeah... it does need a lock, which I brushed under the carpet :P
> I was going to just say use i_mutex, but then we really would start
> impacting on other fastpaths (eg writers).
>
> Possibly a new mutex in the address_space?
That's another, umm 24 bytes minimum in the address_space (and inode).
That's fairly ouch, which is why Miklaus did that hokey bit-based
thing.
> That way we can say
> "anybody who holds this mutex is allowed to use the tag for anything"
> and it doesn't have to be fsync specific (whether that would be of
> any use to anything else, I don't know).
>
>
> > > It's ugly because we don't have quite the right radix tree operations
> > > yet (eg. lookup multiple tags, set tag X if tag Y was set, proper range
> > > lookups). But the theory is to up-front tag the pages that we need to
> > > get to disk.
> >
> > Perhaps some callback-calling radix tree walker.
>
> Possibly, yes. That would make it fairly general. I'll have a look...
>
>
> > > Completely no impact or slowdown to any writers (although it does add
> > > 8 bytes of tags to the radix tree node... but doesn't increase memory
> > > footprint as such due to slab).
> >
> > Can we reduce the amount of copy-n-pasting here?
>
> Yeah... I went to break the sync/async cases into two, but it looks like
> it may not have been worthwhile. Just another branch might be the best
> way to go.
Yup. Could add another do-this flag in the writeback_control, perhaps.
Or even a function pointer.
> As far as the c&p in setting the FSYNC tag, yes that should all go away
> if the radix-tree is up to scratch. Basically:
>
> radix_tree_tag_set_if_tagged(start, end, ifWRITEBACK|DIRTY, setFSYNC);
>
> should be able to replace the whole thing, and we'd hold the tree_lock, so
> we would not have to take the page lock etc. Basically it would be much
> nicer... even somewhere close to a viable solution.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-03 4:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20080911101616.GA24064@agk.fab.redhat.com>
2008-09-22 21:10 ` [PATCH] Memory management livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23 0:48 ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23 22:34 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23 22:49 ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23 23:11 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23 23:46 ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-24 18:50 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-24 18:51 ` [PATCH 1/3] " Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-24 18:52 ` [PATCH 2/3] " Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-02 5:54 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-05 22:11 ` RFC: one-bit mutexes (was: Re: [PATCH 2/3] Memory management livelock) Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-11 12:06 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-20 20:14 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-21 1:51 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-05 22:14 ` [PATCH 1/3] bit mutexes Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 22:14 ` [PATCH 2/3] Fix fsync livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 22:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-05 23:02 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 23:07 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-05 23:18 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 23:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 0:01 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06 0:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 3:30 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06 4:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 13:00 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06 13:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 20:44 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-08 10:56 ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-06 2:51 ` Dave Chinner
2008-10-05 22:16 ` [PATCH 3/3] Fix fsync-vs-write misbehavior Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-09 1:12 ` [PATCH] documentation: explain memory barriers Randy Dunlap
2008-10-09 1:17 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-09 1:31 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-09 5:51 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-09 9:58 ` Ben Hutchings
2008-10-09 21:27 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09 17:29 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09 1:50 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-10-09 17:35 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09 6:52 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-24 18:53 ` [PATCH 3/3] Memory management livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 2:32 ` [PATCH] " Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 2:40 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03 2:59 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 3:14 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03 3:47 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 3:56 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03 4:07 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 4:17 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-10-03 4:29 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 11:43 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 12:27 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 13:53 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 2:54 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 11:26 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 12:31 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 13:50 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 14:50 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-10-03 14:36 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-10-03 15:52 ` application syncing options (was Re: [PATCH] Memory management livelock) david
2008-10-06 0:04 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06 0:19 ` david
2008-10-06 3:42 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-07 3:37 ` david
2008-10-07 15:44 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-07 17:16 ` david
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