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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@vger.kernel.org,
	agk@redhat.com, mbroz@redhat.com, chris@arachsys.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Memory management livelock
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:17:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081002211752.68994206.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200810031407.55406.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>

On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:07:55 +1000 Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> On Friday 03 October 2008 13:56, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:47:21 +1000 Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> 
> wrote:
> > > > I expect there's no solution which avoids blocking the writers at some
> > > > stage.
> > >
> > > See my other email. Something roughly like this would do the trick
> > > (hey, it actually boots and runs and does fix the problem too).
> >
> > It needs exclusion to protect all those temp tags.  Is do_fsync()'s
> > i_mutex sufficient?  It's qute unobvious (and unmaintainable?) that all
> > the callers of this stuff are running under that lock.
> 
> Yeah... it does need a lock, which I brushed under the carpet :P
> I was going to just say use i_mutex, but then we really would start
> impacting on other fastpaths (eg writers).
> 
> Possibly a new mutex in the address_space?

That's another, umm 24 bytes minimum in the address_space (and inode). 
That's fairly ouch, which is why Miklaus did that hokey bit-based
thing.

> That way we can say
> "anybody who holds this mutex is allowed to use the tag for anything"
> and it doesn't have to be fsync specific (whether that would be of
> any use to anything else, I don't know).
> 
> 
> > > It's ugly because we don't have quite the right radix tree operations
> > > yet (eg. lookup multiple tags, set tag X if tag Y was set, proper range
> > > lookups). But the theory is to up-front tag the pages that we need to
> > > get to disk.
> >
> > Perhaps some callback-calling radix tree walker.
> 
> Possibly, yes. That would make it fairly general. I'll have a look...
> 
> 
> > > Completely no impact or slowdown to any writers (although it does add
> > > 8 bytes of tags to the radix tree node... but doesn't increase memory
> > > footprint as such due to slab).
> >
> > Can we reduce the amount of copy-n-pasting here?
> 
> Yeah... I went to break the sync/async cases into two, but it looks like
> it may not have been worthwhile. Just another branch might be the best
> way to go.

Yup.  Could add another do-this flag in the writeback_control, perhaps.
Or even a function pointer.

> As far as the c&p in setting the FSYNC tag, yes that should all go away
> if the radix-tree is up to scratch. Basically:
> 
> radix_tree_tag_set_if_tagged(start, end, ifWRITEBACK|DIRTY, setFSYNC);
> 
> should be able to replace the whole thing, and we'd hold the tree_lock, so
> we would not have to take the page lock etc. Basically it would be much
> nicer... even somewhere close to a viable solution.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-03  4:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20080911101616.GA24064@agk.fab.redhat.com>
2008-09-22 21:10 ` [PATCH] Memory management livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23  0:48   ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23 22:34   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23 22:49     ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23 23:11       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23 23:46         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-24 18:50           ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-24 18:51           ` [PATCH 1/3] " Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-24 18:52           ` [PATCH 2/3] " Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-02  5:54             ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-05 22:11               ` RFC: one-bit mutexes (was: Re: [PATCH 2/3] Memory management livelock) Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-11 12:06                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-20 20:14                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-21  1:51                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-05 22:14               ` [PATCH 1/3] bit mutexes Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 22:14               ` [PATCH 2/3] Fix fsync livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 22:33                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-05 23:02                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 23:07                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-05 23:18                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 23:28                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06  0:01                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06  0:30                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06  3:30                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06  4:20                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 13:00                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06 13:50                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 20:44                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-08 10:56                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-06  2:51                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-10-05 22:16               ` [PATCH 3/3] Fix fsync-vs-write misbehavior Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-09  1:12               ` [PATCH] documentation: explain memory barriers Randy Dunlap
2008-10-09  1:17                 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-09  1:31                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-09  5:51                     ` Chris Snook
2008-10-09  9:58                       ` Ben Hutchings
2008-10-09 21:27                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09 17:29                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09  1:50                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-10-09 17:35                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09  6:52                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-24 18:53           ` [PATCH 3/3] Memory management livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03  2:32       ` [PATCH] " Nick Piggin
2008-10-03  2:40         ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03  2:59           ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03  3:14             ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03  3:47               ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03  3:56                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03  4:07                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03  4:17                     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-10-03  4:29                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 11:43                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 12:27                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 13:53                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03  2:54         ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 11:26           ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 12:31             ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 13:50               ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 14:50                 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-10-03 14:36               ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-10-03 15:52           ` application syncing options (was Re: [PATCH] Memory management livelock) david
2008-10-06  0:04             ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06  0:19               ` david
2008-10-06  3:42                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-07  3:37                   ` david
2008-10-07 15:44                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-07 17:16                       ` david

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