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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [kerneloops] regression in 2.6.27 wrt "lock_page" and the "hwclock" program
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:38:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081005103826.6771540a@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081005102742.de8353b4.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:27:42 -0700
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > static unsigned long   
> > atomic(const char *name, unsigned long (*op)(unsigned long),
> >        unsigned long arg)
> > {
> >   unsigned long v;
> >   __asm__ volatile ("cli");
> >   v = (*op)(arg);
> >   __asm__ volatile ("sti");
> >   return v;
> > } 
> > 
> > looks like it (but only on 32 bit x86, not on 64 bit x86)
> 
> I suspect this is new in hwclock?  We do a might_sleep() in
> lock_page() in 2.6.25 and in 2.6.26.

this quote was from the F9 hwclock.. which shipped with 2.6.25.
Hum.

> > > Really, it's a bit stupid doing _any_ system calls (and a
> > > pagefault is a syscall in disguise) with interrupts disabled.
> > > The kernel makes no guarantees that we'll honour it.  We could
> > > just enable interrupts on pagefault entry - that'll teach 'em.
> > 
> > or save - enable - <run handlers> - restore sequence
> 
> hwclock is buggy either way - 

not arguing with that ;-)
All code doing cli/sti in userland is buggy period. No excuses possible.

> it's trying to disable interrupts but
> it's calling into the kernel, which will reenable interrupts, thus
> losing any protection which hwclock was trying to attain.
> 
> Plus there's this little thing called "smp".  I bet it doesn't disable
> interrupts on all CPUs.

I get the impression from the code that it really wants a "don't
schedule me out" rather than "this is a lock".
it can do better.
On Alpha it implements a seq-lock kind of thing instead.
(and on x86-64 .. it implements NOTHING)



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Arjan van de Ven 	Intel Open Source Technology Centre
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-05 17:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-05  0:44 [kerneloops] regression in 2.6.27 wrt "lock_page" and the "hwclock" program Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-05  4:52 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-05 15:11   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-05 17:27     ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-05 17:38       ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2008-10-12 20:00         ` Karel Zak
2008-10-12 20:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-13 14:55             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-14 21:04               ` Karel Zak
2008-10-13 15:26             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-13 15:40               ` Alan Cox
2008-10-13 15:44               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-13 16:02                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-13 16:08                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-13 16:21                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-12 19:46       ` Karel Zak
2008-10-05 18:18   ` Linus Torvalds

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