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From: Thomas Jarosch <thomas.jarosch@intra2net.com>
To: Mikael Pettersson <mikpe@it.uu.se>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Marcin Slusarz <marcin.slusarz@gmail.com>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [patch] log fatal signals like SIGSEGV
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:53:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200810061053.48364.thomas.jarosch@intra2net.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18646.39701.819497.337394@harpo.it.uu.se>

Hello Mikael,

>  > Log signals like SIGSEGV, SIGILL, SIGBUS or SIGFPE to aid tracing
>  > of obscure problems. Also logs the sender of the signal.
>
> I believe the approach taken in this patch is broken:
>
> 1. The signal logging decision is taken before signal delivery,
>    which causes *handled* signals in the above list to be logged.
>    So your printk_ratelimit() can be swamped by handled signals
>    causing it to not log unhandled fatal signals.
>
>    Applications that handle SEGV/BUS/ILL/FPE aren't that uncommon.
>
> 2. Fatal signals are only interesting if they are self-generated.
>    Signals sent from other processes or threads are uninteresting,
>    if the purpose is to detect program errors or faulty hardware.

Thanks for your review. We already run the new patch on 500+ boxes and
didn't get any complaints about noisy messages in the logs (yet?).
Some of those boxes run "logcheck" and generate a daily report,
so there should be -something-.

I'm not sure if separating between kernel and process generated signals
makes much of a difference as there should be no log output anyway.
If you can provide me input that this will in fact generate noisy output,
I'll happily change the code.

> 3. Similar functionality already exists in the kernel, except
>    it correctly runs much later in the signal delivery path.
>    Grep for print_fatal_signals and show_unhandled_signals.

print_fatal_signals is debug-only, see the mails
from the first review phase about that.

show_unhandled_signals seems to be implemented on x86 and PPC only.

Concerning x86: Both pieces of code are integrated in 
arch/x86/kernel/traps_32.c: do_general_proection().

Does this code path also get called for SIGABRT or SIGFPE?

>    There's also some trace hooks in the signal delivery path
>    that look like they could log actual fatal signals.

Do you have a particular one in mind?

[Jiri Kosina wrote]
> BTW be aware that for example x86 arch-specific code does this on its own, 
> and therefore with your patch, the information will be duplicated. See 
> page fault handler for x86.

Yes, I like that. The new code is architecture-independant,
perhaps the architecture-dependant code could even be obsoleted
and all platforms would benefit from the new logging.

Thomas


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-06  8:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-12 13:02 RFC: [patch] log fatal signals like SIGSEGV Thomas Jarosch
2008-09-12 17:11 ` Marcin Slusarz
2008-09-16 12:59   ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-09-16 17:42     ` Marcin Slusarz
2008-09-17  8:12       ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-09-18 10:10       ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-09-18 20:20         ` Marcin Slusarz
2008-09-20 17:12           ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-09-21 19:05             ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-09-21 19:15               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-09-21 19:40                 ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-10-06  8:53               ` Thomas Jarosch [this message]
2008-09-22 23:52             ` Jiri Kosina

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