From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Steven Noonan <steven@uplinklabs.net>,
Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Kernel version numbering scheme change
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:30:33 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081020203033.GB20788@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081018084504.GQ24654@1wt.eu>
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:45:05AM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 02:44:09PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 08:47:23PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > > And that's my point here, do we want to change the current numbering
> > > > scheme as people have expressed annoyances of the current one.
> > >
> > > But any new scheme will be just as annoying to someone and it messes up
> > > existing documentation, understanding and risks breaking third party
> > > tools.
> > >
> > > Is it really worth the hassle, plus we'll have to change again if we use
> > > date/times because once we are shipping Linux out to Alpha Centauri with
> > > colonists there will be serious problems trying to compute the effect of
> > > tau on release numbering ...
> >
> > Sure, but by then, the 2.6.521 release will be out and we could fix it
> > up by finally going to 3.0 :)
> >
> > Seriously, am I the only one that is getting annoyed by our version
> > numbers? If so, I can live with it, but I got the feeling that I wasn't
> > alone here.
>
> No you're not. I am too. Maybe we're both more annoyed than majority
> because we're mostly dealing with 4-numbers versions.
>
> I remember having recently suggested someone to test 2.6.37, doing a
> confusion between 2.4.37 and 2.6.27. I have already tagged kernels
> with wrong versions, having to fix by hand afterwards. It's really
> cumbersome some times.
Yeah, I'm not the only one that has done that then :)
And yes, it is a pain to fix up.
> IMHO, having a small number of small digits is the way to go. Using
> 1 or 2 digits for the major and 1 for the minor is fine. After 3.9, you
> go to version 4.0. Anyway, there are so many changes between versions
> these days that any new versions could justify a major change (eg:
> check the size of the 2.6.27 patch).
>
> With versions from 1.1 to 9.9, you can go as high as 88 versions,
> which is about 22 years of development at current pace. After that,
> we can simply turn to 10.0 and not break anything.
>
> It's also easier for users. Check how many non-kernel techies around you
> know all 3 digits of the version they use. It's easier to remember 4.3
> than it is to remember 2.6.27.
I agree that would be nicer, and easier for everyone.
thanks,
greg k-h
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-20 20:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-16 0:25 [RFC] Kernel version numbering scheme change Greg KH
2008-10-16 1:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-16 1:51 ` David Sanders
2008-10-16 2:18 ` Greg KH
2008-10-16 7:02 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2008-10-16 7:34 ` david
2008-10-18 21:44 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-10-19 1:52 ` david
2008-10-19 2:44 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-10-16 8:21 ` el es
2008-10-16 9:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-16 9:33 ` el es
2008-10-16 10:05 ` el es
2008-10-16 10:14 ` Kristoffer Ericson
2008-10-16 17:30 ` david
2008-10-16 9:15 ` Hans J. Koch
2008-10-16 15:21 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-10-18 21:56 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-10-16 12:49 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-16 15:17 ` Greg KH
2008-10-16 15:30 ` Bill Nottingham
2008-10-16 15:47 ` Greg KH
2008-10-16 17:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-17 4:02 ` Greg KH
2008-10-17 4:26 ` Grant Coady
2008-10-17 4:53 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-10-17 9:31 ` Alan Cox
2008-10-17 16:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-17 17:42 ` Greg KH
2008-10-18 7:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-18 7:38 ` 2.6.28-rc1 --> 2.8.0-rc1; 2.6.27.y --> 2.6.28 [Re: [RFC] Kernel version numbering scheme change] Dominik Brodowski
2008-10-18 7:47 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2008-10-20 3:48 ` [RFC] Kernel version numbering scheme change Alexandre Oliva
2008-10-20 5:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-20 7:13 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-10-20 18:55 ` Alex Howells
2008-10-20 20:21 ` Greg KH
2008-10-21 19:52 ` Alex Howells
2008-10-22 0:41 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-10-22 4:15 ` Grant Coady
2008-10-22 8:58 ` Alex Howells
2008-10-22 9:11 ` Alan Cox
2008-10-22 18:11 ` Stefan Richter
2008-10-21 18:54 ` Stefan Richter
2008-10-17 17:41 ` Greg KH
2008-10-17 19:45 ` Alan Cox
2008-10-17 21:42 ` Greg KH
2008-10-16 16:46 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-17 3:47 ` Greg KH
2008-10-17 6:47 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-17 7:55 ` Greg KH
2008-10-17 8:16 ` Steven Noonan
2008-10-17 17:46 ` Greg KH
2008-10-17 19:06 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-10-17 21:44 ` Greg KH
2008-10-17 19:47 ` Alan Cox
2008-10-17 21:44 ` Greg KH
2008-10-17 22:14 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-10-17 22:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-18 1:23 ` david
2008-10-18 23:14 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-19 1:50 ` david
2008-10-19 12:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-19 16:29 ` david
2008-10-19 17:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-19 17:47 ` david
2008-10-19 17:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-18 8:45 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-18 23:17 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-19 3:35 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-20 20:30 ` Greg KH [this message]
2008-10-20 20:54 ` Felipe Balbi
2008-10-20 21:06 ` Greg KH
2008-10-20 21:58 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-10-20 22:24 ` Felipe Balbi
2008-10-21 19:11 ` Stefan Richter
2008-10-21 19:16 ` Felipe Balbi
2008-10-18 22:33 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-10-19 18:33 ` Greg KH
2008-10-19 19:51 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-10-19 23:40 ` david
2008-10-18 22:38 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-10-18 1:20 ` david
2008-10-18 8:32 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-17 8:56 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-17 10:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-17 11:18 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-10-17 11:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-17 11:32 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-10-17 15:30 ` Chris Friesen
2008-10-17 17:45 ` Greg KH
2008-10-18 9:01 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-18 10:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-18 11:08 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-18 11:50 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-18 12:28 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-18 13:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-18 14:13 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-16 14:26 ` markus reichelt
2008-10-16 15:35 ` Theodore Tso
2008-10-16 18:05 ` John Stoffel
2008-10-16 19:14 ` Harald Arnesen
2008-10-17 1:53 ` Dave Young
2008-10-17 9:05 ` Jike Song
2008-10-17 9:14 ` Dave Young
2008-10-20 3:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-10-16 15:18 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-10-17 1:26 ` Rob Landley
2008-10-17 12:46 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2008-10-17 17:40 ` Greg KH
2008-10-18 1:32 ` david
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2008-10-16 2:10 H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-20 6:05 Denys Fedoryshchenko
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