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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] pending scheduler updates
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:42:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081022124240.GD25536@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1224679082.12294.15.camel@marge.simson.net>


* Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de> wrote:

> > > With that patch, pgsql+oltp scales perfectly.
> > 
> > hm, tempting.
> 
> I disagree.  Postgres's scaling problem is trivially corrected by 
> twiddling knobs (or whatnot). [...]

okay, then we need to document it a bit more: what knobs need twiddling 
to make it scale perfectly?

> [...]  With that patch, you can't twiddle mysql throughput back, or 
> disk intensive loads for that matter.  You can tweak the preempt 
> number, but it has nothing to do with lag, so anybody can preempt 
> anybody else as you turn the knob toward zero.  Chaos.

okay, convinced.

> > Have you tried to hack/fix pgsql to do proper wakeups?
> 
> No, I tried to build without spinlocks to verify, but build croaked. 
> Never went back to slogging through the code.

if it falls back to IPC semaphores that's a bad trade from a performance 
POV. The best would be if it used proper futexes (i.e. pthread_mutex() 
and friends) not some home-grown user-space spinlock thing.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-22 12:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-17 17:27 [PATCH 0/4] pending scheduler updates Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-17 17:27 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched: optimize group load balancer Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-17 17:27 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched: fair scheduler should not resched rt tasks Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-17 17:27 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched: revert back to per-rq vruntime Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-17 17:27 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched: fix wakeup preemption Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-20 21:57   ` Chris Friesen
2008-10-20 12:05 ` [PATCH 0/4] pending scheduler updates Ingo Molnar
2008-10-21 17:35   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2008-10-22  9:40     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-22 10:03       ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-22 10:32         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-22 12:10           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-22 12:38             ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-22 12:42               ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-10-22 13:05                 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-22 17:38           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-22 17:56             ` Mike Galbraith

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