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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	rjw@sisk.pl, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	s0mbre@tservice.net.ru, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tbench regression fixes]: digging out smelly deadmen.
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:34:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081026023439.c6cf4e94.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081026092722.GA24799@ioremap.net>

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:27:22 +0300 Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net> wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 02:11:53AM -0700, Andrew Morton (akpm@linux-foundation.org) wrote:
> > > Andrew said recently:
> > >   "dbench is pretty chaotic and it could be that a good change causes
> > > dbench to get worse.  That's happened plenty of times in the past."
> > > 
> > > So I'm not inclined to worry too much about dbench in any way shape or
> > > form.
> > 
> > Well.  If there is a consistent change in dbench throughput, it is
> > important that we at least understand the reasons for it.  But we
> > don't necessarily want to optimise for dbench throughput.
> 
> Sorry, but such excuses do not deserve to be said. No matter how
> ugly, wrong, unusual or whatever else you might say about some test, but
> it shows the problem, which has to be fixed.

Not necessarily.  There are times when we have made changes which we
knew full well reduced dbench's throughput, because we believed them to
be of overall benefit.  I referred to one of them above.

> There is no 'dbench tune',
> there is fair number of problems, and at least several of them dbench
> already helped to narrow down and precisely locate. The same regressions
> were also observed in other benchmarks, originally reported before I
> started this thread.

You seem to be saying what I said.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-26  9:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-09 23:17 [tbench regression fixes]: digging out smelly deadmen Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10  5:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-10  8:09 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10  9:15   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 11:31     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10 11:40       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 13:25         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10 11:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 11:55         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10 11:57           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-24 22:25             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-24 23:31               ` David Miller
2008-10-25  4:05                 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  5:15                   ` David Miller
2008-10-25  5:53                     ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25 11:13                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-26  3:55                   ` David Miller
2008-10-26 11:33                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-25  3:37               ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  5:16                 ` David Miller
2008-10-25  5:58                   ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  6:53                     ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  7:24                       ` David Miller
2008-10-25  7:52                         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25 23:10                         ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-26  8:46                           ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-26  9:00                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-26  9:11                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-26  9:27                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-26  9:34                                   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-10-26 10:05                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-27  2:34                                       ` David Miller
2008-10-27  9:30                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-27  9:57                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-26 10:23                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-26 19:03                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-27  9:29                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 10:42                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-27 11:27                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-27 11:33                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-10-27 12:06                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 13:42                                           ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-27 14:17                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 18:33                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-27 19:39                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-27 19:48                                             ` David Miller
2008-10-28 10:24                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-28 10:37                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-28 10:57                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-28 11:02                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-28 14:00                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-28 15:22                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-29  9:14                                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-29  9:50                                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-01 12:51                                                       ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2008-10-29  9:59                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-26  9:15                               ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  7:19                     ` David Miller
2008-10-25  7:33                       ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 17:26                         ` Rick Jones
2008-10-27 19:11                           ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 19:18                             ` Rick Jones
2008-10-27 19:44                               ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-26 11:29               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-26 12:23                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-30 18:15                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-30 18:40                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-30 18:43                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 18:56                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 19:01                     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31  7:52                       ` David Miller
2008-10-31  9:40                         ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31  9:51                           ` David Miller
2008-10-31 10:42                             ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31 10:45                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 11:01                               ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31 11:10                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 11:15                                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31 19:57                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-31 20:10                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-31 21:03                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 21:18                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-31 23:51                                     ` David Miller
2008-10-31 23:56                                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-11-01  0:16                                         ` Jay Vosburgh
2008-11-02  4:40                                           ` David Miller
2008-11-04  2:13                                             ` [PATCH net-next-2.6] bonding, net: Move last_rx update into bonding recv logic Jay Vosburgh
2008-11-04  2:17                                               ` David Miller
2008-10-10 10:13 ` [tbench regression fixes]: digging out smelly deadmen Mike Galbraith
2008-10-11 13:13   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-11 14:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-11 18:13       ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-12  6:02         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-12  6:33           ` Mike Galbraith

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