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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Chad Talbott <ctalbott@google.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mrubin@google.com
Subject: Re: Metadata in sys_sync_file_range and fadvise(DONTNEED)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:07:48 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081105170748.0e7dac89.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1786ab030811051656r7cc09fcakbf485c3b0663757@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:56:54 -0800
Chad Talbott <ctalbott@google.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > And fadvise(FADV_DONTNEED) is just that: "I won't be using that data
> > again".  Implementing specific writeback behaviour underneath that hint
> > is unobvious and a bit weird.  It's a bit of a fluke that it does
> > writeout at all!
> >
> > We have much more flexibility with sync_file_range(), and it is more
> > explicit.
> 
> So in the new world, an application should call sync_file_range
> (solving my problem by including metadata) to initiate writeout, and
> then call posix_fadvise(DONTNEED) to drop the pages from page cache?
> I think this would work for me.

That would work.

Although Nick is threatening to make
sync_file_range(SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE) all slow by using WB_SYNC_ALL,
probably unnecessarily, ho hum.

> > That being said, I don't understand why the IO scheduling problems
> > which you're seeing are occurring.  There is code in fs/mpage.c
> > specifically to handle this case (search for "write_boundary_block").
> > It will spot that 4k indirect block in the middle of two 4MB data
> > blocks and will schedule it for writeout at the right time.
> >
> > So why isn't that working?
> 
> Very good question, I'll look into why it's not helping here.
> 

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-06  1:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-31 20:54 Metadata in sys_sync_file_range and fadvise(DONTNEED) Chad Talbott
2008-11-01  9:21 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-06  0:56   ` Chad Talbott
2008-11-06  1:07     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-11-06  1:27       ` Chad Talbott
2008-11-02 22:45 ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-06  1:19   ` Chad Talbott
2008-11-06  4:20     ` Dave Chinner

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