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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net>
Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, Robert Love <rlove@rlove.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [take 3] Use pid in inotify events.
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:09:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081120130902.GA1408@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081117175212.GA2224@ioremap.net>

On Mon 2008-11-17 20:52:12, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:23:01PM -0500, Michael Kerrisk (mtk.manpages@googlemail.com) wrote:
> > > Cookie was created to store information used to somehow connect events to
> > > each other. PID does that from another angle than rename.
> > 
> > Yes, but it does it in an inconsistent, incomplete way.
> 
> It was not my decision, I can not argue if it could be good, bad, perfect
> or shine. It is what we have, and I'm trying to extend it not breaking
> other things up.
> 
> > > Extending
> > > (rewriting userspace event processing part) events is a solution for the
> > > new project,
> > 
> > Not quite sure of your point here.  Whatever change is made, userspace
> > apps will need to be trained to understand the interface.
> 
> I mean kernel event generation side will have to be rewritten: new
> event structures, new members, new field usage scenario and so on.
> 
> > > while existing patch (where all security concerns are
> > > resolved) is a minimum functionality extension.
> > 
> > It is a minimum functionality extension that serves the needs of one
> > or a few projects, while dirtying the design for all users.
> 
> Yes, this is a minimum functionality extension, which breaks nothing.
> That's why it is a good idea, but I agree that there may be better than
> just a good idea and implementation :)

Breaks nothing?!

Introducing ugly hack with broken permission check we have to maintain
forever seems like way too much breakage for 14 lines.

> And I actually answered, that this may be a good idea for the new
> project. Although if things work right now no one will ever try to
> change it. It does not work in my case, so I need to invent as simple
> as possible way to fix it.

'as simple diff as possible' is pretty bad criterium for kernel
merges.

									Pavel
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-21 13:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <acdcfe7e0811081035l56eedf05x8b3b7ee2fc01eee6@mail.gmail.com>
2008-11-08 18:40 ` [1/1] Use pid in inotify events Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-08 22:03   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-10 15:13 ` [take 2] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-16 23:24 ` [take 3] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-17 16:59   ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-17 17:15     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-17 17:23       ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-17 17:52         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-20 13:09           ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2008-11-21 14:03             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:20               ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-21 14:37                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:30               ` Robert Love
2008-11-21 14:53                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:57                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-21 15:08                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-18 13:19     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-19 14:05       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]         ` <cfd18e0f0811190634g276b4a2dm5b3d5de25a5c9222@mail.gmail.com>
2008-11-19 14:43           ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-20 19:17             ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-11-19 14:53           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-20 22:34             ` John McCutchan
2008-11-20 23:06               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 18:39                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-11-22  7:12                   ` David Newall
2008-11-22  9:41                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-22 11:41                       ` David Newall
2008-11-22  9:37                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-24  5:08                     ` John McCutchan
2008-11-24  7:30                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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