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From: Folkert van Heusden <folkert@vanheusden.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
	mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	aviro@redhat.com
Subject: Re: writing file to disk: not as easy as it looks
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:10:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081202191038.GE29091@vanheusden.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081202163720.GB18162@mit.edu>

> > If disk looses data after acknowledging the write, all hope is lost.
> > Else I expect filesystem to preserve data I successfully synced.
> >      (In the b-tree split failed case I'd expect transaction commit to
> >      fail because new data could not be weitten; at that point
> >      disk+journal should still contain all the data needed for
> >      recovery of synced/old files, right?)
> 
> Not necessarily.  For filesystems that do logical journalling (i.e.,
> xfs, jfs, et. al), the only thing written in the journal is the
> logical change (i.e., "new dir entry 'file_that_causes_the_node_split'").

> The transaction commits *first*, and then the filesystem tries to
> write update the filesystem with the change, and it's only then that
> the write fails.  Data can very easily get lost.

> Even for ext3/ext4 which is doing physical journalling, it's still the

So do I understand this right that ext3/4 are more robust?


Folkert van Heusden

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-12-02 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-02  9:40 writing file to disk: not as easy as it looks Pavel Machek
2008-12-02 14:04 ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-02 15:26   ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-02 16:37     ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-02 17:22       ` Chris Friesen
2008-12-02 20:55         ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-02 22:44           ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-02 22:50             ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-03  5:07             ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-03  8:46               ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-03 15:50                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-03 15:54                   ` Alan Cox
2008-12-03 17:37                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-03 17:52                       ` Alan Cox
2008-12-03 18:16                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-03 18:33                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-03 16:42                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-03 17:43                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-03 18:26                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-03 15:34               ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-15 10:24               ` [patch] " Pavel Machek
2008-12-15 11:03           ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-15 20:08             ` Folkert van Heusden
2008-12-02 19:10       ` Folkert van Heusden [this message]
2008-12-02 23:01 ` Mikulas Patocka

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