From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com,
Alasdair G Kergon <agk@redhat.com>,
Andi Kleen <andi-suse@firstfloor.org>,
Milan Broz <mbroz@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Device loses barrier support (was: Fixed patch for simple barriers.)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:09:38 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081205030938.GA6703@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0812042036540.25436@hs20-bc2-1.build.redhat.com>
> The only one offender is "md".
I'm not sure. It wouldn't surprise me if it can happen with other setups
too. Perhaps Chris knows more.
> It is less overhead to change "md" to play
> nice and be reliable than to double-submit requests in all the places that
> needs write ordering.
They do that already anyways.
>
> > > * the filesystems developed hacks to work around this issue, the hacks
> > > involve not submitting more requests after the barrier request,
> >
> > I suspect the reason the file systems did it this way is that
> > it was a much simpler change than to rewrite the transaction
> > manager for this.
>
> It could be initial reason. But this unreliability also disallows any
> improvement in filesystems. No one can write asynchronous transaction
> manager because of that evil EOPNOTSUPP.
Doesn't seem right. It would be a simple state machine
to handle it fully asynchronous. Alternatively you could
always use empty barriers.
But we can worry about that when some in tree file system
actually tries to do that.
-Andi
--
ak@linux.intel.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-12-05 2:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2008-12-04 14:00 ` Device loses barrier support (was: Fixed patch for simple barriers.) Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-04 14:20 ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-04 14:17 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-04 14:58 ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-04 16:45 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-04 17:48 ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-04 17:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-12-04 19:37 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-04 22:15 ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-04 23:08 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-05 0:48 ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-05 1:16 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-05 1:37 ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-05 2:21 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-05 3:09 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-12-05 11:52 ` Alan Cox
2008-12-05 12:29 ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-05 3:26 ` Device loses barrier support Eric Sandeen
2008-12-07 4:17 ` Device loses barrier support (was: Fixed patch for simple barriers.) Dave Chinner
2008-12-05 5:44 ` Device loses barrier support Timothy Shimmin
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2008-12-05 18:21 ` Device loses barrier support (was: Fixed patch for simple barriers.) Bodo Eggert
2008-12-05 18:41 ` Andi Kleen
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