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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	avishay@gmail.com, jeff@garzik.org, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, osd-dev@open-osd.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/9] exofs: mkexofs
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:25:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081231112515.2d790d1c.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <495B8D90.1090004@panasas.com>

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:19:44 +0200 Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com> wrote:

> Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:33:48 +0200
> > Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> We need a mechanism to prepare the file system (mkfs).
> >> I chose to implement that by means of a couple of
> >> mount-options. Because there is no user-mode API for committing
> >> OSD commands. And also, all this stuff is highly internal to
> >> the file system itself.
> >>
> >> - Added two mount options mkfs=0/1,format=capacity_in_meg, so mkfs/format
> >>   can be executed by kernel code just before mount. An mkexofs utility
> >>   can now be implemented by means of a script that mounts and unmount the
> >>   file system with proper options.
> > 
> > Doing mkfs in-kernel is unusual.  I don't think the above description
> > sufficiently helps the uninitiated understand why mkfs cannot be done
> > in userspace as usual.  Please flesh it out a bit.
> 
> There are a few main reasons.
> - There is no user-mode API for initiating OSD commands. Such a subsystem
>   would be hundredfold bigger then the mkfs code submitted. I think it would be
>   hard and stupid to maintain a complex user-mode API just for creating
>   a couple of objects and writing a couple of on disk structures.
> - I intend to refactor the code further to make use of more super.c services,
>   so to make this addition even smaller. Also future direction of raid over
>   multiple objects will make even more kernel infrastructure needed which
>   will need even more user-mode code duplication.
> - I anticipate problems that are not yet addressed in this body of work
>   but will be in the future, mainly that a single OSD-target (lun) can
>   be shared by lots of FSs, and a single FS can span many OSD-targets.
>   Some central management is much easier to do in Kernel.

OK.  Please add the above info to the changelog for that patch.

> > 
> > What are the dependencies for this filesystem code?  I assume that it
> > depends on various block- and scsi-level patches?  Which ones, and
> > what is their status, and is this code even compileable without them?
> > 
> 
> This OSD-based file system is dependent on the open-osd initiator library
> code that I've submitted for inclusion for 2.6.29. It has been sitting
> in linux-next for a while now, and has not been receiving any comments
> for the last two updated patchsets I've sent to scsi-misc/lkml. However
> it has not yet been submitted into Jame's scsi-misc git tree, and James
> is the ultimate maintainer that should submit this work. I hope it will
> still be submitted into 2.6.29, as this code is totally self sufficient
> and does not endangers or changes any other Kernel subsystems.
> (All the needed ground work was already submitted to Linus since 2.6.26)
> So why should it not?
> 
> Once the open-osd initiator library is accepted this file system
> could be accepted. I was hoping as a 2.6.30 time frame. (One Kernel
> after the open-osd library)
> 
> > Thanks.
> 
> Thank you dear Andrew for your most valuable input.
> 
> I will constify all the const needed code. will fix the global name space
> litter, will inline the macros and lower case the inlines. Will remove
> the typedefs.
> 
> I will reply to individual patches, I have a couple of questions. But
> all your comments are right and I will take care of them.
> 
> When, if, all is fixed, through which tree/maintainer can exofs be submitted?

I can merge them.  Or you can run a git tree of your own, add it to
linux-next and ask Linus to pull it at the appropriate time.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-12-31 19:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-16 14:48 [PATCHSET 0/9] exofs (was osdfs) Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-16 14:52 ` [PATCH 1/9] exofs: osd Swiss army knife Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-29 20:29   ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-31 15:33     ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-31 19:26       ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-01 14:44         ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-01-02 16:52     ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-04  8:43       ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-01-04 20:03         ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-05  9:01           ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-01-05  9:36             ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-16 15:15 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-01-07 15:47   ` [osd-dev] " Benny Halevy
2009-01-13 13:55     ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 14:43       ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-01-13 14:52         ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-01-13 15:09       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-13 15:17         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-01-13 15:28           ` Benny Halevy
2008-12-16 15:17 ` [PATCH 2/9] exofs: file and file_inode operations Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-29 20:34   ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-31 15:36     ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-16 15:21 ` [PATCH 3/9] exofs: symlink_inode and fast_symlink_inode operations Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-29 20:35   ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-16 15:22 ` [PATCH 4/9] exofs: address_space_operations Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-29 20:45   ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-31 15:35     ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-16 15:28 ` [PATCH 5/9] exofs: dir_inode and directory operations Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-29 20:47   ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-31 15:33     ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-16 15:31 ` [PATCH 6/9] exofs: super_operations and file_system_type Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-17 22:23   ` Marcin Slusarz
2008-12-18  8:41     ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-29 20:50   ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-16 15:33 ` [PATCH 7/9] exofs: mkexofs Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-29 20:14   ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-31 15:19     ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-31 15:57       ` James Bottomley
2009-01-01  9:22         ` [osd-dev] " Benny Halevy
2009-01-01  9:54           ` Jeff Garzik
2009-01-01 14:23             ` Benny Halevy
2009-01-01 14:28               ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-01-01 18:12               ` Jörn Engel
2009-01-01 23:26           ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-02  7:14             ` Benny Halevy
2009-01-04 15:20         ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-01-04 15:38           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-12 18:12           ` James Bottomley
2009-01-12 19:23             ` Jeff Garzik
2009-01-12 19:56               ` James Bottomley
2009-01-12 20:22                 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-01-12 23:25                   ` James Bottomley
2009-01-13 13:03                     ` [osd-dev] " Benny Halevy
2009-01-13 13:24                       ` Jeff Garzik
2009-01-13 13:32                         ` Benny Halevy
2009-01-13 13:44                     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-01-13 14:03                       ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 14:17                         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-01-13 16:14                           ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 17:21                             ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-01-21 18:13                               ` Jeff Garzik
2009-01-21 18:44                                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-01-12 22:48             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-06  8:40         ` Andreas Dilger
2008-12-31 19:25       ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2009-01-01 13:33         ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-01-02 22:46           ` James Bottomley
2009-01-04  8:59             ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-16 15:36 ` [PATCH 8/9] exofs: Documentation Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-18  7:47   ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-18  8:32     ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-12-16 15:38 ` [PATCH 9/9] fs: Add exofs to Kernel build Boaz Harrosh

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