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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Linux killed Kenny, bastard!
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:29:04 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090113122904.GC25011@ioremap.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090113121510.68a55fe9@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:15:10PM +0000, Alan Cox (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) wrote:
> > Who should adjust the scores for newly created processes? Who should
> > check that processes in the first group have negative oom ajustment and
> > in the second group a positive value? Who determines when its time to
> > ajust the scores?
> 
> This is policy. Where does policy go ? User space

Don't you notice how many 'who' were placed and only single 'user space'
answer? Becasue it is not an answer, it is a theoretical POV, which does
not really work in practice, since it is way too unconvenient and
error-prone, and actually it does not work when needed, since because of
its complexity something will be missed. I've just talked with the
admins who originally requested 'kill-by-name' feature why they did not
work with /proc/.../oom_adj, and got a nice answer: we tries, but
likely something went wrong and it did not work the way we wanted.

There is no way to know that adjustment is correct, that everything was
uptodate when oom happend, that nothing was forgotten and practice shows
that there are always such problems and invalid tasks are killed.

When you put a name you do know that it works, since it is only single
place to be updated and no need to bother with ugly tools or changes
especially to handle short-living processes.

-- 
	Evgeniy Polyakov

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-13 12:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-12 15:33 Linux killed Kenny, bastard! Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 15:44 ` Dave Jones
2009-01-12 15:48   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 15:51     ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 15:52       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 21:29         ` Chris Snook
2009-01-12 21:42           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 13:52       ` [why oom_adj does not work] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 14:06         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 14:24           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 15:00             ` Balbir Singh
2009-01-13 15:21               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 18:04                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-13 19:46                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 21:33                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 21:39                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 22:05                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14 16:12                       ` OOM documentation update [was: Linux killed Kenny, bastard!] Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14 17:06                         ` [take2] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14 21:34                           ` Randy Dunlap
2009-01-14 21:53                           ` Bryan Donlan
2009-01-14 22:10                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14 22:14                             ` [take3] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-15  0:58                               ` David Rientjes
2009-01-15  8:51                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-15  8:57                                 ` [take4] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-15 11:13                                   ` David Rientjes
2009-01-12 15:49 ` Linux killed Kenny, bastard! Alan Cox
2009-01-12 15:50   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 15:52     ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 15:56       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 16:19         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 16:29           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 23:00             ` Bill Davidsen
2009-01-12 23:17               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13  1:53                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13  8:52                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13  9:54                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 11:54                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 12:15                         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 12:29                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2009-01-13 13:19                             ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-13 13:35                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  0:24                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-01-14  0:35                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 13:47                               ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 19:36                             ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 21:46                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 22:49                                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-13 23:02                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  1:11                                     ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14  1:20                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  4:06                                         ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-13 23:10                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 23:35                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 23:43                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 23:55                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  0:32                                         ` David Rientjes
2009-01-14  0:53                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  4:23                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-14  9:07                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 19:15                         ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 22:00                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 23:26                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-13 23:36                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 13:41                       ` Jan-Frode Myklebust
2009-01-13 13:59                         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 16:22         ` Dave Jones
2009-01-12 16:28           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 16:35 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-13 22:04   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-01-13 10:58 Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-01-13 12:20 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
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2009-01-17 15:21                     ` Bodo Eggert
2009-01-17 15:41                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-18 12:49                         ` Bodo Eggert
2009-01-18 13:17                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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