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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	travis@sgi.com,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	steiner@sgi.com, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: regarding the x86_64 zero-based percpu patches
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:04:21 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200901151204.23208.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1mydwxvtx.fsf@frodo.ebiederm.org>

On Tuesday 13 January 2009 04:14:58 Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> 2M of per cpu data doesn't make sense, and likely indicates a design
> flaw somewhere.  It just doesn't make sense to have large amounts of
> data allocated per cpu.
> 
> The most common user of per cpu data I am aware of is allocating one
> word per cpu for counters.

This is why I did a brief audit.  Here it is:

With x86/32 allyesconfig (trimmed a little, until it booted under kvm)
we have 37148 bytes of static percpu data, and 117228 bytes of dynamic
percpu data.

File and line			Number		Size		Total
net/ipv4/af_inet.c:1287		 21		2048		43008
net/ipv4/af_inet.c:1290		 21		2048		43008
kernel/workqueue.c:819		 72		 128		 9126
net/ipv4/af_inet.c:1287		 48		 128		 6144
net/ipv4/af_inet.c:1290		 48		 128		 6144
net/ipv4/route.c:3258		  1		4096		 4096
include/linux/genhd.h:271	 72		  40		 2880
lib/percpu_counter.c:77		194		   4		  776
net/ipv4/af_inet.c:1287		  1		 288		  288
net/ipv4/af_inet.c:1290		  1		 288		  288
net/ipv4/af_inet.c:1287		  1		 256		  256
net/ipv4/af_inet.c:1290		  1		 256		  256
net/core/neighbour.c:1424	  4		  44		  176
kernel/kexec.c:1143		  1		 176		  176
net/ipv4/af_inet.c:1287		  1		 104		  104
net/ipv4/af_inet.c:1290		  1		 104		  104
arch/x86/.../acpi-cpufreq.c:528	 96		   1		   96
arch/x86/acpi/cstate.c:153	  1		  64		   64
net/.../nf_conntrack_core.c:1209  1		  60		   60

Others:								  178

This is why my patch series adds "big_percpu_alloc" (basically identical to current code) for the bigger/unbounded users.

I don't think moving per-cpu areas is going to fly.  We do put complex datastructures in there. And you're going to need preempt_disable() on all per-cpu ops on many archs to make it work (assuming you use stop_machine to do the realloc.  Even a rough audit quickly becomes overwhelming: 20 of the first 1/4 of DECLARE_PER_CPUs are non-movable datastructures.

Cheers,
Rusty.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-01-15  3:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <49649814.4040005@kernel.org>
     [not found] ` <20090107120225.GA30651@elte.hu>
2009-01-07 12:13   ` regarding the x86_64 zero-based percpu patches Tejun Heo
2009-01-10  6:46     ` Rusty Russell
2009-01-12 17:23       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-01-12 17:44         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-12 19:00           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-01-13  0:33           ` Tejun Heo
2009-01-13  3:01             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-13  3:14               ` Tejun Heo
2009-01-13  4:07                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-14  3:58                   ` Tejun Heo
2009-01-15  1:47                     ` Rusty Russell
2009-01-15  1:49                   ` Rusty Russell
2009-01-15 20:26                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-01-15  1:34           ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2009-01-15 13:55             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-15 20:27             ` Christoph Lameter

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