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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net>
To: Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Linux killed Kenny, bastard!
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:41:47 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090117154147.GA12863@ioremap.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1LOCze-00020X-GT@be1.7eggert.dyndns.org>

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 04:21:50PM +0100, Bodo Eggert (7eggert@gmx.de) wrote:
> > The only sane way to use oom_adj is
> > to disable oom killer for the task or make its score very small or very
> > big, there is really no way to make a finegrained tuning, since score
> > changes and userspace does not know the algorithm.
> 
> It does not need to know, it just has to tune until it's about level with
> the other normal processes if it's to be a normal process, and add or
> substract one or two to oom_adj if it's avery (un)important process.

Did you try such tuning yourself? I submitted documentation update on
how score is calculated, there is really no way admin can do that in
some script or manually, and relying on oom_score content is not very
precise since it jumps all over the range depending on the read time.

So, forget that you can tune oom_adj system-wide, it is only possible to
effectively enable or disable it. If there are two identical processes,
it is possible in theory to tune them against each other, but practice
and theory are the same only in theory, in practice one of the processes
will suddenly start doing different things and all your calculus
immediately become wrong.

OOM scores can not be reliably tuned system-wide.

-- 
	Evgeniy Polyakov

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-17 15:42 UTC|newest]

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2009-01-17 15:21                     ` Linux killed Kenny, bastard! Bodo Eggert
2009-01-17 15:41                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2009-01-18 12:49                         ` Bodo Eggert
2009-01-18 13:17                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 10:58 Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-01-13 12:20 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-01-12 15:33 Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 15:44 ` Dave Jones
2009-01-12 15:48   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 15:51     ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 15:52       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 21:29         ` Chris Snook
2009-01-12 21:42           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 15:49 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 15:50   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 15:52     ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 15:56       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 16:19         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 16:29           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 23:00             ` Bill Davidsen
2009-01-12 23:17               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13  1:53                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13  8:52                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13  9:54                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 11:54                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 12:15                         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 12:29                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 13:19                             ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-13 13:35                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  0:24                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-01-14  0:35                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 13:47                               ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 19:36                             ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 21:46                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 22:49                                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-13 23:02                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  1:11                                     ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14  1:20                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  4:06                                         ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-13 23:10                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 23:35                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 23:43                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 23:55                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  0:32                                         ` David Rientjes
2009-01-14  0:53                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  4:23                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-14  9:07                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 19:15                         ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 22:00                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 23:26                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-13 23:36                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 13:41                       ` Jan-Frode Myklebust
2009-01-13 13:59                         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 16:22         ` Dave Jones
2009-01-12 16:28           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 16:35 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-13 22:04   ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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