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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@ghostprotocols.net>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip 1/3] trace: better manage the context info for events
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 23:02:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090203220212.GF6344@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090203215901.GD3440@ghostprotocols.net>

On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 07:59:01PM -0200, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
> Em Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 10:39:36PM +0100, Frederic Weisbecker escreveu:
> > On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 10:57:12AM -0200, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
> > > Em Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 10:09:03AM +0100, Frederic Weisbecker escreveu:
> > > > On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 09:32:51PM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, 3 Feb 2009, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 08:29:21PM -0200, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
> > > > > > > From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Impact: make trace_event more convenient for tracers
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > All tracers (for the moment) that use the struct trace_event want to
> > > > > > > have the context info printed before their own output: the pid/cmdline,
> > > > > > > cpu, and timestamp.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > But some other tracers that want to implement their trace_event
> > > > > > > callbacks will not necessary need these information or they may want to
> > > > > > > format them as they want.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This patch adds a new default-enabled trace option:
> > > > > > > TRACE_ITER_CONTEXT_INFO When disabled through:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > echo nocontext-info > /debugfs/tracing/trace_options
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The pid, cpu and timestamps headers will not be printed.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > IE with the sched_switch tracer with context-info (default):
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >      bash-2935 [001] 100.356561: 2935:120:S ==> [001]  0:140:R <idle>
> > > > > > >    <idle>-0    [000] 100.412804:    0:140:R   + [000] 11:115:S events/0
> > > > > > >    <idle>-0    [000] 100.412816:    0:140:R ==> [000] 11:115:R events/0
> > > > > > >  events/0-11   [000] 100.412829:   11:115:S ==> [000]  0:140:R <idle>
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Without context-info:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  2935:120:S ==> [001]  0:140:R <idle>
> > > > > > >     0:140:R   + [000] 11:115:S events/0
> > > > > > >     0:140:R ==> [000] 11:115:R events/0
> > > > > > >    11:115:S ==> [000]  0:140:R <idle>
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > A tracer can disable it at runtime by clearing the bit
> > > > > > > TRACE_ITER_CONTEXT_INFO in trace_flags.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The print routines were renamed to trace_print_context and
> > > > > > > trace_print_lat_context, so that they can be used by tracers if they
> > > > > > > want to use them for one of the trace_event callbacks.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Actually, I wonder if this is not breaking the sense of the TRACE_ITER_CONTEXT_INFO
> > > > > > flag.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yeah, I agree with Frederic here. Let the user decide this as a global 
> > > > > flag for about of data to print. The tracer should just provide a callback 
> > > > > incase the tracer has a different context format.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In the first patch I made about it, I thought this flag was to decide whether we want to
> > > > > > print the context information in the standard way.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Then, Steven suggested to actually provide callbacks for the tracers which want
> > > > > > to override the standard context information printer.
> > > > > > The flag then got more logical: TRACE_ITER_CONTEXT_INFO was not only about deciding
> > > > > > whether we want or not the standard context info, it tells if we want in a global way
> > > > > > the context info to be printed, whatever how the tracer decides to print it.
> > > > > > (This is the theory, but since we couldn't override the bin/raw/hex cases, the
> > > > > > practical case didn't follow this idea).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If someone doesn't want to see these informations in the blk tracer, this flag will
> > > > > > not help him. Worst, it will double print the context info if the user enables the flag.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Now that I see the practical case, I'm not sure the design of my patch was valuable.
> > > > > > A tracer has to play with the flag if it wants to override the context info in
> > > > > > the bin/raw/hex cases. And I don't think this is a good way to proceed.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In my opinion, the ITER_CONTEXT_INFO flag should mostly be set by the user.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think it should _only_ be set by user.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And only one callback could be added to trace_event: context_info()
> > > > > > Then, the tracer will manage itself the raw/hex/bin/normal cases inside
> > > > > > this callback.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yeah, this is a good idea. The callback can be passed an enum to what kind
> > > > > of trace it is: TRACE_FMT_RAW TRACE_FMT_HEX ...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > We can provide the default callbacks available for the tracers which want it and even
> > > > > > one function which proceed all of them, depending on the flags.
> > > > > > ftrace/preempt/sched.... tracers can register this function for their context_info callback
> > > > > > and other tracers too if they want.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Or they can override it, and even pick the default callbacks for dedicated flags when they want.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Then, when the user wants the context info to be printed or not, he just have to
> > > > > > set/clear the context-info flag manually.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A tracer can even decide to set/clear it by default, but for its real sense: print or not
> > > > > > these context info.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What do you think?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not sure a tracer should decide if it should have the format or not. 
> > > > > In its context callback, it might decide there. But if the user does not 
> > > > > want it, it should be off.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Of course, I just thought that some tracers could choose if it's default enabled
> > > > or disabled when they are selected.
> > > 
> > > As the 3rd patch does? :)
> > 
> > 
> > Again, we had a different meaning of this flag :-)
> 
> Agreed, I'm working on some cleanups/fixes, at some point I shall
> revisit this in a way that is more clean and takes into account this
> discussion. :-)
> 
> - Arnaldo

Thanks! :-)


  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-03 22:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-02 22:29 [PATCH tip 1/3] trace: better manage the context info for events Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2009-02-03  2:07 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-02-03  2:32   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-03  9:09     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-02-03 12:57       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2009-02-03 21:39         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-02-03 21:59           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2009-02-03 22:02             ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2009-02-03 12:54     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2009-02-03 13:15     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2009-02-03 12:50   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2009-02-03 21:31     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-02-03 13:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-03 13:29   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo

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