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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Kyle Moffett <kyle@moffetthome.net>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>,
	ltt-dev@lists.casi.polymtl.ca, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Robert Wisniewski <bob@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC git tree] Userspace RCU (urcu) for Linux (repost)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 16:13:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090208001315.GG7120@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f73f7ab80902071456j6b2f7ea2q7400e777209998e0@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 05:56:31PM -0500, Kyle Moffett wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Mathieu Desnoyers
> <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org> wrote:
> > I figured out I needed some userspace RCU for the userspace tracing part
> > of LTTng (for quick read access to the control variables) to trace
> > userspace pthread applications. So I've done a quick-and-dirty userspace
> > RCU implementation.
> >
> > It works so far, but I have not gone through any formal verification
> > phase. It seems to work on paper, and the tests are also OK (so far),
> > but I offer no guarantee for this 300-lines-ish 1-day hack. :-) If you
> > want to comment on it, it would be welcome. It's a userland-only
> > library. It's also currently x86-only, but only a few basic definitions
> > must be adapted in urcu.h to port it.
> 
> I have actually been fiddling with an RCU-esque design for a
> multithreaded event-driven userspace server process.  Essentially all
> threads using RCU-protected data run through a central event loop
> which drives my entirely-userspace RCU state machine.  I actually have
> a cooperative scheduler for groups of events to allow me to
> load-balance a large number of clients without the full overhead of a
> kernel thread per client.  This does rely on
> clock_gettime(CLOCK_THREAD_CPUTIME_ID) returning a useful monotonic
> value, however.
> 
> By building the whole internal system as an
> event-driven-state-machine, I don't need to keep a stack for blocked
> events.  The events which do large amounts of work call a
> "need_resched()"-ish function every so often, and if it returns true
> they return up the stack.  Relatively few threads (1 per physical CPU,
> plus a few for blocking event polling) are needed to completely
> saturate the system.
> 
> For RCU I simply treat event-handler threads the way the kernel treats
> CPUs, I report a Quiescent State every so often in-between processing
> events.
> 
> The event-handling mechanism is entirely agnostic to the way that
> events are generated.  It has built-in mechanisms for FD, signal, and
> AIO-based events, and it's trivial to add another event-polling thread
> for GTK/Qt/etc.
> 
> I'm still only halfway through laying out the framework for this
> library, but once it's done I'll make sure to post it somewhere for
> those who are interested.

I look forward to seeing it!  Perhaps user-level RCU is an idea whose
time has come?  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-08  0:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-06  3:05 [RFC git tree] Userspace RCU (urcu) for Linux Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-06  4:58 ` [RFC git tree] Userspace RCU (urcu) for Linux (repost) Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-06 13:06   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-06 16:34     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-07 15:10       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-07 22:16         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-08  0:19           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-07 23:38         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-08  0:44           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-08 21:46             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-08 22:36               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09  0:24                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09  0:54                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09  1:08                     ` [ltt-dev] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09  3:47                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09  3:42                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09  0:40                 ` [ltt-dev] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-08 22:44       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09  4:11         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09  4:53           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09  5:17             ` [ltt-dev] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09  7:03               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 15:33                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-10 19:17                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-10 21:16                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-10 21:28                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-10 22:21                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-10 22:58                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-10 23:01                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-11  0:57                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11  5:28                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-11  6:35                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11 15:32                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-11 18:52                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11 20:09                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-11 21:42                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11 22:08                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                         ` <20090212003549.GU6694@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2009-02-12  2:33                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12  2:37                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12  4:10                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12  5:09                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12  5:47                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 16:18                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 18:40                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:28                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 21:27                                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 23:26                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-13 13:12                                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12  4:08                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12  5:01                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12  7:05                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 16:46                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 19:29                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:02                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 20:09                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:35                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 21:15                                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:13                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-12 20:39                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 21:15                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-12 21:59                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-13 13:50                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-13 14:56                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-13 15:10                                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 15:55                                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 16:18                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-13 17:33                                                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 17:53                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-13 18:09                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-13 18:54                                                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 19:36                                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-14  5:07                                                                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-14  5:20                                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-14  5:46                                                                                         ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-14 15:06                                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-14 17:37                                                                                             ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-22 14:23                                                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-22 18:28                                                                                             ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-14  6:42                                                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-14  3:15                                                                                 ` [Uclinux-dist-devel] " Mike Frysinger
2009-02-13 18:40                                                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 16:05                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-14  3:11                                                                     ` [Uclinux-dist-devel] " Mike Frysinger
2009-02-14  4:58                                                           ` Robin Getz
2009-02-12 19:38                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:17                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 21:53                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 23:04                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-13 12:49                                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11  5:08                     ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-02-11  8:58                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 13:23               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:28                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 17:47                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 18:13                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 18:19                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 18:37                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 18:49                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 19:05                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 19:15                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 19:35                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 19:23                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 13:16             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:19               ` Bert Wesarg
2009-02-09 17:34                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:35                   ` Bert Wesarg
2009-02-09 17:40                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:42                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 18:00                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:45                       ` Bert Wesarg
2009-02-09 17:59                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-07 22:56   ` Kyle Moffett
2009-02-07 23:50     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-08  0:13     ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2009-02-06  8:55 ` [RFC git tree] Userspace RCU (urcu) for Linux Bert Wesarg
2009-02-06 11:36   ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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