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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>
Cc: ltt-dev@lists.casi.polymtl.ca, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Bryan Wu <cooloney@kernel.org>,
	uclinux-dist-devel@blackfin.uclinux.org
Subject: Re: [ltt-dev] [RFC git tree] Userspace RCU (urcu) for Linux (repost)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:02:49 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090212200249.GG6759@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090212192941.GC2047@Krystal>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 02:29:41PM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> 
> * Paul E. McKenney (paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> [...]
> > diff --git a/urcu.c b/urcu.c
> > index f2aae34..a696439 100644
> > --- a/urcu.c
> > +++ b/urcu.c
> > @@ -99,7 +99,8 @@ static void force_mb_single_thread(pthread_t tid)
> >  	 * BUSY-LOOP.
> >  	 */
> >  	while (sig_done < 1)
> > -		smp_rmb();	/* ensure we re-read sig-done */
> > +		barrier();	/* ensure compiler re-reads sig-done */
> > +				/* cache coherence guarantees CPU re-read. */
> 
> OK, this is where I think our points of view differ. Please refer to
> http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/18/299.
> 
> Basically, cpu_relax() used in the Linux kernel has an
> architecture-specific implementation which *could* include a smp_rmb()
> if the architecture doesn't notice writes done by other CPUs. I think
> Blackfin is the only architecture currently supported by the Linux
> kernel which defines cpu_relax() as a smp_mb(), because it does not have
> cache coherency.
> 
> Therefore, I propose that we create a memory barrier macro which is
> defined as a 
>   barrier()   when the cpu has cache coherency
>   cache flush when the cpu does not have cache coherency and is
>               compiled with smp support.
> 
> We could call that
> 
>   smp_wmc() (for memory-coherency or memory commit)
>   smp_rmc()
>   smp_mc()
> 
> It would be a good way to identify the location where data exchange
> between memory and the local cache are is required in the algorithm.
> What do you think ?

Actually the best way to do this would be:

	while (ACCESS_ONCE(sig_done) < 1)
		continue;

If ACCESS_ONCE() needs to be made architecture-specific to make this
really work on Blackfin, we should make that change.  And, now that
you mention it, I have heard rumors that other CPU families can violate
cache coherence in some circumstances.

So perhaps ACCESS_ONCE() becomes:

#ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_CACHE_COHERENT
#define ACCESS_ONCE(x) (*(volatile typeof(x) *)&(x))
#else /* #ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_CACHE_COHERENT */
#define ACCESS_ONCE(x)     ({ \
				typeof(x) _________x1; \
				_________x1 = (*(volatile typeof(x) *)&(x)); \
				cpu_relax(); \
				(_________x1); \
				})
#endif /* #else #ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_CACHE_COHERENT */

Seem reasonable?

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-12 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-06  3:05 [RFC git tree] Userspace RCU (urcu) for Linux Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-06  4:58 ` [RFC git tree] Userspace RCU (urcu) for Linux (repost) Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-06 13:06   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-06 16:34     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-07 15:10       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-07 22:16         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-08  0:19           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-07 23:38         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-08  0:44           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-08 21:46             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-08 22:36               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09  0:24                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09  0:54                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09  1:08                     ` [ltt-dev] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09  3:47                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09  3:42                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09  0:40                 ` [ltt-dev] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-08 22:44       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09  4:11         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09  4:53           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09  5:17             ` [ltt-dev] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09  7:03               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 15:33                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-10 19:17                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-10 21:16                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-10 21:28                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-10 22:21                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-10 22:58                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-10 23:01                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-11  0:57                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11  5:28                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-11  6:35                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11 15:32                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-11 18:52                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11 20:09                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-11 21:42                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11 22:08                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                         ` <20090212003549.GU6694@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2009-02-12  2:33                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12  2:37                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12  4:10                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12  5:09                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12  5:47                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 16:18                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 18:40                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:28                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 21:27                                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 23:26                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-13 13:12                                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12  4:08                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12  5:01                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12  7:05                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 16:46                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 19:29                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:02                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2009-02-12 20:09                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:35                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 21:15                                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:13                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-12 20:39                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 21:15                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-12 21:59                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-13 13:50                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-13 14:56                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-13 15:10                                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 15:55                                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 16:18                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-13 17:33                                                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 17:53                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-13 18:09                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-13 18:54                                                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 19:36                                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-14  5:07                                                                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-14  5:20                                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-14  5:46                                                                                         ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-14 15:06                                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-14 17:37                                                                                             ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-22 14:23                                                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-22 18:28                                                                                             ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-14  6:42                                                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-14  3:15                                                                                 ` [Uclinux-dist-devel] " Mike Frysinger
2009-02-13 18:40                                                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 16:05                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-14  3:11                                                                     ` [Uclinux-dist-devel] " Mike Frysinger
2009-02-14  4:58                                                           ` Robin Getz
2009-02-12 19:38                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:17                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 21:53                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 23:04                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-13 12:49                                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11  5:08                     ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-02-11  8:58                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 13:23               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:28                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 17:47                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 18:13                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 18:19                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 18:37                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 18:49                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 19:05                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 19:15                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 19:35                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 19:23                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 13:16             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:19               ` Bert Wesarg
2009-02-09 17:34                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:35                   ` Bert Wesarg
2009-02-09 17:40                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:42                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 18:00                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:45                       ` Bert Wesarg
2009-02-09 17:59                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-07 22:56   ` Kyle Moffett
2009-02-07 23:50     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-08  0:13     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-06  8:55 ` [RFC git tree] Userspace RCU (urcu) for Linux Bert Wesarg
2009-02-06 11:36   ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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