From: Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: ltt-dev@lists.casi.polymtl.ca, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ltt-dev] [RFC git tree] Userspace RCU (urcu) for Linux (repost)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:53:41 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090212215340.GA8394@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090212201758.GH6759@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
* Paul E. McKenney (paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 02:38:26PM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > Replying to a separate portion of the mail with less CC :
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 02:05:39AM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > > * Paul E. McKenney (paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:08:24PM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > > > > * Paul E. McKenney (paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 04:35:49PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 04:42:58PM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > > > > > > > * Paul E. McKenney (paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > [ . . . ]
> > > > >
> > > > > > > And I had bugs in my model that allowed the rcu_read_lock() model
> > > > > > > to nest indefinitely, which overflowed into the top bit, messing
> > > > > > > things up. :-/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Attached is a fixed model. This model validates correctly (woo-hoo!).
> > > > > > > Even better, gives the expected error if you comment out line 180 and
> > > > > > > uncomment line 213, this latter corresponding to the error case I called
> > > > > > > out a few days ago.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Great ! :) I added this version to the git repository, hopefully it's ok
> > > > > > with you ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Works for me!
> > > > >
> > > > > > > I will play with removing models of mb...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, I see you already did..
> > > > >
> > > > > I continued this, and surprisingly few are actually required, though
> > > > > I don't fully trust the modeling of removed memory barriers.
> > > >
> > > > On my side I cleaned up the code a lot, and actually added some barriers
> > > > ;) Especially in the busy loops, where we expect the other thread's
> > > > value to change eventually between iterations. A smp_rmb() seems more
> > > > appropriate that barrier(). I also added a lot of comments about
> > > > barriers in the code, and made the reader side much easier to review.
> > > >
> > > > Please feel free to comment on my added code comments.
> > >
> > > The torture test now looks much more familiar. ;-)
> > >
> > > I fixed some compiler warnings (in my original, sad to say), added an
> > > ACCESS_ONCE() to rcu_read_lock() (also in my original),
> >
> > Yes, I thought about this ACCESS_ONCE during my sleep.. just did not
> > have to to update the source yet. :)
> >
> > Merged. Thanks !
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > --- a/urcu.c
> > > +++ b/urcu.c
> > > @@ -99,7 +99,8 @@ static void force_mb_single_thread(pthread_t tid)
> > > * BUSY-LOOP.
> > > */
> > > while (sig_done < 1)
> > > - smp_rmb(); /* ensure we re-read sig-done */
> > > + barrier(); /* ensure compiler re-reads sig-done */
> > > + /* cache coherence guarantees CPU re-read. */
> >
> > That could be a smp_rmc() ? (see other mail)
>
> I prefer making ACCESS_ONCE() actually having the full semantics implied
> by its name. ;-)
>
> See patch at end of this email.
>
See my email about LOAD_REMOTE/STORE_REMOTE :)
> > > smp_mb(); /* read sig_done before ending the barrier */
> > > }
> > >
> > > @@ -113,7 +114,8 @@ static void force_mb_all_threads(void)
> > > if (!reader_data)
> > > return;
> > > sig_done = 0;
> > > - smp_mb(); /* write sig_done before sending the signals */
> > > + /* smp_mb(); write sig_done before sending the signals */
> > > + /* redundant with barriers in pthread_kill(). */
> >
> > Absolutely not. pthread_kill does not send a signal to self in every
> > case because the writer thread has not requirement to register itself.
> > It *could* be registered as a reader too, but does not have to.
>
> No, not the barrier in the signal handler, but rather the barriers in
> the system call invoked by pthread_kill().
>
The barrier implied by going through a system call does not imply cache
flushing AFAIK. So we would have to at least leave a big comment here
saying that the kernel has to provide such guarantee. So under that
comment I would leave a smp_mc();.
> > > for (index = reader_data; index < reader_data + num_readers; index++)
> > > pthread_kill(index->tid, SIGURCU);
> > > /*
> > > @@ -121,7 +123,8 @@ static void force_mb_all_threads(void)
> > > * BUSY-LOOP.
> > > */
> > > while (sig_done < num_readers)
> > > - smp_rmb(); /* ensure we re-read sig-done */
> > > + barrier(); /* ensure compiler re-reads sig-done */
> > > + /* cache coherence guarantees CPU re-read. */
> >
> > That could be a smp_rmc() ?
>
> Again, prefer:
>
> while (ACCESS_ONCE() < num_readers)
>
> after upgrading ACCESS_ONCE() to provide the full semantics.
>
> I will send a patch.
>
I'll use a variation :
while (LOAD_REMOTE(sig_done) < num_readers)
cpu_relax();
> > > smp_mb(); /* read sig_done before ending the barrier */
> > > }
> > > #endif
> > > @@ -181,7 +184,8 @@ void synchronize_rcu(void)
> > > * the writer waiting forever while new readers are always accessing
> > > * data (no progress).
> > > */
> > > - smp_mb();
> > > + /* smp_mb(); Don't need this one for CPU, only compiler. */
> > > + barrier();
> >
> > smp_mc() ?
>
> ACCESS_ONCE().
>
Ah, this is what I dislike about using :
STORE_REMOTE(x, v);
...
if (LOAD_REMOTE(y) ...)
rather than
x = v;
smp_mc();
if (y ...)
We will end up in a situation where we do 2 cache flushes rather than a
single one. So wherever possible, I would be tempted to leave the
smp_mc().
> > >
> > > switch_next_urcu_qparity(); /* 1 -> 0 */
> > >
> >
> > Side-note :
> > on archs without cache coherency, all smp_[rw ]mb would turn into a
> > cache flush.
>
> So I might need more in my ACCESS_ONCE() below.
>
> Add .gitignore files, and redefine accesses in terms of a new
> ACCESS_ONCE().
>
I'll merge the .gitignore file, thanks,
Please see my updated git tree.
Mathieu
> Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> ---
>
> .gitignore | 9 +++++++++
> formal-model/.gitignore | 3 +++
> urcu.c | 10 ++++------
> urcu.h | 12 ++++++++++++
> 4 files changed, 28 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
> new file mode 100644
> index 0000000..29aa7e5
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/.gitignore
> @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@
> +test_rwlock_timing
> +test_urcu
> +test_urcu_timing
> +test_urcu_yield
> +urcu-asm.o
> +urcu.o
> +urcutorture
> +urcutorture-yield
> +urcu-yield.o
> diff --git a/formal-model/.gitignore b/formal-model/.gitignore
> new file mode 100644
> index 0000000..49fdd8a
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/formal-model/.gitignore
> @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@
> +pan
> +pan.*
> +urcu.spin.trail
> diff --git a/urcu.c b/urcu.c
> index a696439..f61d4c3 100644
> --- a/urcu.c
> +++ b/urcu.c
> @@ -98,9 +98,8 @@ static void force_mb_single_thread(pthread_t tid)
> * Wait for sighandler (and thus mb()) to execute on every thread.
> * BUSY-LOOP.
> */
> - while (sig_done < 1)
> - barrier(); /* ensure compiler re-reads sig-done */
> - /* cache coherence guarantees CPU re-read. */
> + while (ACCESS_ONCE(sig_done) < 1)
> + continue;
> smp_mb(); /* read sig_done before ending the barrier */
> }
>
> @@ -122,9 +121,8 @@ static void force_mb_all_threads(void)
> * Wait for sighandler (and thus mb()) to execute on every thread.
> * BUSY-LOOP.
> */
> - while (sig_done < num_readers)
> - barrier(); /* ensure compiler re-reads sig-done */
> - /* cache coherence guarantees CPU re-read. */
> + while (ACCESS_ONCE(sig_done) < num_readers)
> + continue;
> smp_mb(); /* read sig_done before ending the barrier */
> }
> #endif
> diff --git a/urcu.h b/urcu.h
> index 79d9464..dd040a5 100644
> --- a/urcu.h
> +++ b/urcu.h
> @@ -98,6 +98,9 @@ static inline unsigned long __xchg(unsigned long x, volatile void *ptr,
> /* Nop everywhere except on alpha. */
> #define smp_read_barrier_depends()
>
> +#define CONFIG_ARCH_CACHE_COHERENT
> +#define cpu_relax barrier
> +
> /*
> * Prevent the compiler from merging or refetching accesses. The compiler
> * is also forbidden from reordering successive instances of ACCESS_ONCE(),
> @@ -110,7 +113,16 @@ static inline unsigned long __xchg(unsigned long x, volatile void *ptr,
> * use is to mediate communication between process-level code and irq/NMI
> * handlers, all running on the same CPU.
> */
> +#ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_CACHE_COHERENT
> #define ACCESS_ONCE(x) (*(volatile typeof(x) *)&(x))
> +#else /* #ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_CACHE_COHERENT */
> +#define ACCESS_ONCE(x) ({ \
> + typeof(x) _________x1; \
> + _________x1 = (*(volatile typeof(x) *)&(x)); \
> + cpu_relax(); \
> + (_________x1); \
> + })
> +#endif /* #else #ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_CACHE_COHERENT */
>
> /**
> * rcu_dereference - fetch an RCU-protected pointer in an
>
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
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Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-02-06 3:05 [RFC git tree] Userspace RCU (urcu) for Linux Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-06 4:58 ` [RFC git tree] Userspace RCU (urcu) for Linux (repost) Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-06 13:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-06 16:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-07 15:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-07 22:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-08 0:19 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-07 23:38 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-08 0:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-08 21:46 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-08 22:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 0:24 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 0:54 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 1:08 ` [ltt-dev] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 3:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 3:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 0:40 ` [ltt-dev] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-08 22:44 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 4:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 4:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 5:17 ` [ltt-dev] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 7:03 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 15:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-10 19:17 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-10 21:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-10 21:28 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-10 22:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-10 22:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-10 23:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-11 0:57 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11 5:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-11 6:35 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11 15:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-11 18:52 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11 20:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-11 21:42 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11 22:08 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <20090212003549.GU6694@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2009-02-12 2:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 2:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 4:10 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 5:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 5:47 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 16:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 18:40 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 21:27 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 23:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-13 13:12 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 4:08 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 5:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 7:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 16:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 19:29 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 20:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 21:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-12 20:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 21:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-12 21:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-13 13:50 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-13 14:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-13 15:10 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 15:55 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 16:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-13 17:33 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 17:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-13 18:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-13 18:54 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 19:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-14 5:07 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-14 5:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-14 5:46 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-14 15:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-14 17:37 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-22 14:23 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-22 18:28 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-02-14 6:42 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-14 3:15 ` [Uclinux-dist-devel] " Mike Frysinger
2009-02-13 18:40 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-13 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-14 3:11 ` [Uclinux-dist-devel] " Mike Frysinger
2009-02-14 4:58 ` Robin Getz
2009-02-12 19:38 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-12 20:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-12 21:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2009-02-12 23:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-13 12:49 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-11 5:08 ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-02-11 8:58 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 13:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:28 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 17:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 18:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 18:19 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 18:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 18:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 19:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 19:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 19:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 19:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 13:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:19 ` Bert Wesarg
2009-02-09 17:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:35 ` Bert Wesarg
2009-02-09 17:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:42 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-09 18:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-09 17:45 ` Bert Wesarg
2009-02-09 17:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-07 22:56 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-02-07 23:50 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-02-08 0:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-06 8:55 ` [RFC git tree] Userspace RCU (urcu) for Linux Bert Wesarg
2009-02-06 11:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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