From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Fernando Luis V?zquez Cao <fernando@oss.ntt.co.jp>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
fernando@kic.ac.jp, Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: vfs: Add MS_FLUSHONFSYNC mount flag
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:15:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090222141532.GC1586@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090213022336.GH6922@mini-me.lan>
On Thu 2009-02-12 21:23:36, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 03:30:10PM -0600, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> > > Yes, but OTOH we should give sysadmin a possibility to enable / disable
> > > it on just some partitions. I don't see a reasonable use for that but people
> > > tend to do strange things ;) and here isn't probably a strong reason to not
> > > allow them.
> > >
> >
> > But nobody has asked for that, have they? So why offer it up a this point?
> >
> > They could use LD_PRELOAD to make fsync a no-op if they really don't
> > care for it, I guess... though that's not easily per-fs either.
>
> Actually, Bart Samwel at FOSDEM talked to me and asked for something
> similar --- what we came up which meant his request while still being
> standards-compliant was a per-process personality flag which had three
> options:
>
> *) Always honor fsync() calls (the default)
> *) Never honor fsync() calls
> *) Only honor fsync() calls if a global "honor fsync" flag
> (which would be manipulated by the laptop mode scripts)
> is set.
>
> The flag would be reset to the default across a setuid exec, but would
> otherwise be inherited across fork()'s. It might be possible to
> set/get the flag via a /proc interface.
>
> The basic idea is that laptop systems where the system administrator
> wants longer battery life (and trusts the battery not to suddenly give
> out) more than they care about fsync() guarantees can set up a pam
> library which sets the flag for at login time so that all of the
> user's processes can be set up not to honor fsync() calls; however,
> all of the system daemons would still function normally.
Sounds like posix violation to
me... '/sys/fsync_does_not_really_sync'?
Perhaps it is better done at glibc level? Environment variables
already mostly have semantics you want.....
Pavel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-02-22 14:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-13 13:14 ext2 + -osync: not as easy as it seems Pavel Machek
2009-01-13 13:45 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 14:03 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-13 14:07 ` Jens Axboe
2009-01-13 14:26 ` [PATCH] block: Fix documentation for blkdev_issue_flush() Theodore Ts'o
2009-01-13 14:28 ` Jens Axboe
2009-01-13 14:30 ` ext2 + -osync: not as easy as it seems Jan Kara
2009-01-13 14:46 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14 3:37 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-14 10:35 ` Jan Kara
2009-01-14 13:21 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14 14:05 ` Jan Kara
2009-01-14 14:08 ` Jens Axboe
2009-01-14 14:34 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14 14:43 ` Jens Axboe
2009-02-12 16:43 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-16 12:09 ` Jens Axboe
2009-01-14 14:12 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14 14:37 ` Jan Kara
2009-01-14 16:59 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-15 12:06 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-15 23:45 ` Jan Kara
2009-01-16 12:31 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-16 13:55 ` ext3: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-16 16:30 ` Jan Kara
2009-01-17 9:47 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-17 10:00 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-19 12:03 ` Jan Kara
2009-01-28 9:45 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-28 9:55 ` Jan Kara
2009-02-12 10:33 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:35 ` vfs: Improve readability off mount flag definitins by using offsets Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:36 ` vfs: Add MS_FLUSHONFSYNC mount flag Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 17:13 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-12 17:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-02-14 15:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-02-15 7:23 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-15 22:54 ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-16 4:29 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-16 7:47 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 21:23 ` Jan Kara
2009-02-12 21:30 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-13 1:47 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-13 6:07 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-13 2:23 ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-22 14:15 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2009-02-22 20:51 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-22 23:19 ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-22 23:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-02-22 23:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-02-23 1:23 ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-13 1:14 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-13 6:20 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-13 10:36 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-13 12:20 ` Dave Chinner
2009-02-13 16:29 ` Fernando Luis Vazquez Cao
2009-02-14 11:24 ` Dave Chinner
2009-02-14 13:03 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-14 13:19 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-15 2:48 ` Dave Chinner
2009-02-15 7:11 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:37 ` util-linux: Add new mount options flushonfsync and noflushonfsync to mount Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:38 ` util-linux: Add explanation for new mount options flushonfsync and noflushonfsync to mount(8) man page Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:38 ` block: Add block_flush_device() Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:39 ` ext3: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:40 ` ext4: " Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-15 22:46 ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-16 7:09 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-16 7:25 ` [PATCH 1/3] block: Add block_flush_device() Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-16 7:29 ` [2/3] ext3: call block_flush_device() on fsync Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-16 7:31 ` [PATCH 3/3] ext4: " Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-16 13:59 ` ext4: call blkdev_issue_flush " Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-13 14:42 ` ext2 + -osync: not as easy as it seems Pavel Machek
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