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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Chris Evans <scarybeasts@gmail.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Don Howard <dhoward@redhat.com>, Eugene Teo <eugene@redhat.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@googlemail.com>,
	Tavis Ormandy <taviso@sdf.lonestar.org>,
	Vitaly Mayatskikh <vmayatsk@redhat.com>,
	stable@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] copy_process: fix CLONE_PARENT && ->exit_signal interaction
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:20:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090225212039.GA11883@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0902251156160.3111@localhost.localdomain>

On 02/25, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> > As I think I said before, I don't really know what the actual use case is
> > for CLONE_PARENT without CLONE_THREAD.  So it's easy to approve changing
> > its behavior, but I do vaguely worry about who expected what behavior before.
>
> I think changing it is wrong.

Perhaps. As I said, I don't know what is the expected behaviour. And in fact
I can't think of the "obviously good" behaviour.

> I can easily see somebody using CLONE_PARENT to get the correct getppid
> semantics in the thread, and then setting the signal to zero to not make
> the parent see the thread go away.

->exit_signal == 0 doesn't mean the thread silently goes away, it becomes
a zombie (even if ->parent ignores SIGCHLD). We don't send the signal, but
that is all.

And if ->parent execs, we reset ->exit_signal to SIGCHLD anyway.

> So at the very least it should accept zero for "no signal".

perhaps. I don't know. But I am not sure this is always right.

> And quite
> frankly, it would be good to try to see if there are other alternatives.

Agreed. I thought about checking ->xxx_exec_id's in copy_process(),
but doesn't look very nice...


(can't resist... hopefully now it is clear this should have beeen discussed
 outside of the closed lists from the very beginning ;)

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-25 21:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-25 19:02 [PATCH 1/2] copy_process: fix CLONE_PARENT && ->exit_signal interaction Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-25 19:39 ` Roland McGrath
2009-02-25 19:48   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-25 19:54     ` Roland McGrath
2009-02-25 20:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-25 21:20     ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2009-02-25 21:34       ` [stable] " Greg KH
2009-02-26 21:59       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-26 22:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-26 22:30           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-26 22:43             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-02 21:22             ` [PATCH] copy_process: fix CLONE_PARENT && parent_exec_id interaction Oleg Nesterov
2009-03-02 21:33               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-02 21:58                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-03-09 16:45                   ` David Howells
2009-03-09 18:33                     ` Oleg Nesterov

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