From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Salman Qazi <sqazi@google.com>,
davem@davemloft.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] x86, mm: pass in 'total' to __copy_from_user_*nocache()
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:24:50 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090228092450.3ded2db5@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0902280904271.3111@localhost.localdomain>
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:16:21 -0800 (PST)
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> > Can you suggest some other workload that should show sensitivity
> > to this detail too? Like a simple write() loop of non-4K-sized
> > files or so?
>
> I bet you can find it, but I also suspect that it will depend quite a
> bit on the microarchitecture. What does 'movntq' actually _do_ on
> different CPU's (bypass L1 or L2 or just turn the L1 cache policy to
> "write through and invalidate")?
Afaik it's like a cache flush followed by the equivalent of a WC store
> How expensive is the sfence when
> there are still stores in the write buffer? Does 'movqnt' even use
> the write buffer for cached stores, or is doing some special path the
> the last-level cache?
it's usually like a WC store
>
> If you want to be really subtle, ask questions like what are the
> implications for last-level caches that are inclusive? The last-level
> cache would take not just the new write, but it also has logic to
> make sure that it's a superset of the inner caches, so what does that
> do to replacement policy for that cache? Or does it cause
> invalidations in the inner caches?
it invalidates all caches in the hierarchy
afaik this is what Intel cpus do; but I also thought this behavior was
quite architectural as well...
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-02-28 17:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-02-24 2:03 Performance regression in write() syscall Salman Qazi
2009-02-24 4:10 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-24 4:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-24 9:02 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-24 15:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-24 16:24 ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-24 16:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-25 3:23 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-25 7:25 ` [patch] x86, mm: pass in 'total' to __copy_from_user_*nocache() Ingo Molnar
2009-02-25 8:09 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-25 8:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-25 8:59 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-25 12:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-25 16:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-25 16:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-27 12:05 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-28 8:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 11:49 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-28 12:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-28 17:24 ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2009-02-28 17:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-28 17:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-28 18:05 ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-28 18:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 18:39 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-02 10:39 ` [PATCH] x86, mm: dont use non-temporal stores in pagecache accesses Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 18:52 ` [patch] x86, mm: pass in 'total' to __copy_from_user_*nocache() Linus Torvalds
2009-03-01 14:19 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-01 0:06 ` David Miller
2009-03-01 0:40 ` Andi Kleen
2009-03-01 0:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-01 0:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-01 1:48 ` Andi Kleen
2009-03-01 1:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-01 1:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-01 14:06 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-02 4:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-02 6:18 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-02 21:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-02 21:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-03 4:30 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-03 4:20 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-03 9:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-04 3:37 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-01 2:07 ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-24 5:43 ` Performance regression in write() syscall Salman Qazi
2009-02-24 10:09 ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-24 16:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-24 16:51 ` Andi Kleen
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