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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Salman Qazi <sqazi@google.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] x86, mm: pass in 'total' to __copy_from_user_*nocache()
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:24:50 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090228092450.3ded2db5@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0902280904271.3111@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:16:21 -0800 (PST)
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > Can you suggest some other workload that should show sensitivity 
> > to this detail too? Like a simple write() loop of non-4K-sized 
> > files or so?
> 
> I bet you can find it, but I also suspect that it will depend quite a
> bit on the microarchitecture. What does 'movntq' actually _do_ on
> different CPU's (bypass L1 or L2 or just turn the L1 cache policy to
> "write through and invalidate")? 

Afaik it's like a cache flush followed by the equivalent of a WC store

> How expensive is the sfence when
> there are still stores in the write buffer? Does 'movqnt' even use
> the write buffer for cached stores, or is doing some special path the
> the last-level cache?

it's usually like a WC store
>
> If you want to be really subtle, ask questions like what are the 
> implications for last-level caches that are inclusive? The last-level 
> cache would take not just the new write, but it also has logic to
> make sure that it's a superset of the inner caches, so what does that
> do to replacement policy for that cache? Or does it cause
> invalidations in the inner caches?

it invalidates all caches in the hierarchy

afaik this is what Intel cpus do; but I also thought this behavior was
quite architectural as well...


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  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-28 17:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-24  2:03 Performance regression in write() syscall Salman Qazi
2009-02-24  4:10 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-24  4:28   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-24  9:02     ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-24 15:52       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-24 16:24         ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-24 16:51         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-25  3:23         ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-25  7:25           ` [patch] x86, mm: pass in 'total' to __copy_from_user_*nocache() Ingo Molnar
2009-02-25  8:09             ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-25  8:29               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-25  8:59                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-25 12:01                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-25 16:04             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-25 16:29               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-27 12:05               ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-28  8:29                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 11:49                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-28 12:58                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 17:16                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-28 17:24                         ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2009-02-28 17:42                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-28 17:53                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-28 18:05                             ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-28 18:27                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 18:39                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-02 10:39                                 ` [PATCH] x86, mm: dont use non-temporal stores in pagecache accesses Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 18:52                               ` [patch] x86, mm: pass in 'total' to __copy_from_user_*nocache() Linus Torvalds
2009-03-01 14:19                                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-01  0:06                             ` David Miller
2009-03-01  0:40                               ` Andi Kleen
2009-03-01  0:28                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-01  0:38                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-01  1:48                                     ` Andi Kleen
2009-03-01  1:38                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-01  1:40                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-01 14:06                                           ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-02  4:46                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-02  6:18                                               ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-02 21:16                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-02 21:25                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-03  4:30                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-03  4:20                                               ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-03  9:02                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-04  3:37                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-01  2:07                                         ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-24  5:43   ` Performance regression in write() syscall Salman Qazi
2009-02-24 10:09 ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-24 16:13   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-24 16:51     ` Andi Kleen

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