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From: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 00:08:40 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090305210840.GA2499@x200.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1236280567.22399.99.camel@nimitz>

On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 11:16:07AM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 20:40 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 08:38:57AM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > > This takes a suggestion of Ingo's along with comments from lots of
> > > other people.  It can track whether a given file is able to be
> > > checkpointed.  It introduces a f_op to allow easy customization
> > > like the reset of the VFS.
> > 
> > Here is how alternative looks like
> > * without touching VFS at all
> > * without adding default handlers
> 
> Are these bad things?  If this was harmful to the VFS, I can bet
> Christoph would be speaking up.  As far as the default handlers, blame
> Christoph. :)

It's too much for too little and unreliable. See below.

> > * without duplicate code every ->checkpoint hook will have
> 
> Well, I had actually planned to break the generic function up into a
> "common" function that all of the handlers can call or could be called
> before each handler.  This is trivially fixable, but it would look kinda
> goofy without some code to use it.
> 
> > * without largely useless "special file" messages
> >   (what's so special about it?)
> 
> Very true.  I'll improve that one.
> 
> > * without adding userspace-visible /proc/*/checkpointable 
> 
> Ingo, could you weigh in on how you expected this "checkpointable" flag
> to get exposed to and checked by userspace?
> 
> > * without recalculating "checkpointable" property on fs_struct
> >   on every C/R=y kernel.
> 
> Yeah, this is certainly less than ideal.  Although, I haven't seen your
> proposal for where to tie your code into the kernel.  Do you suggest
> that we do nothing during normal kernel runtime and all the checking at
> sys_checkpoint() time?

Of course!

C/R won't be used by majority of users, so it shouldn't bring any
overhead. ->f_op->checkpoint (not ->checkpointable!) is probably
acceptable. Recalculating flags is not, sorry.

Imagine, unsupported file is opened between userspace checks
for /proc/*/checkpointable and /proc/*/fdinfo/*/checkpointable
and whatever, you stil have to do all the checks inside checkpoint(2).

> > It may lack some printk, but printks are trivial to insert including
> > using d_path for precise info.
> 
> This is definitely workable approach.  However, could you show how you
> would support /dev/null and, say, /proc/$$/stat?  I've shown what it
> takes to do that in my patches, and I think it would show a lot about
> your approach.  

I haven't yet written code for /dev/null, but it would be:
* at checkpoint(2)
	** see it's block device
	** see it's 1:3 => supported
	** dump "1:3", dump "/dev/null" as filename
* at restore(2)
	** read CR_OBJ_FILE
	** open filename or -E
	** if not block device return -E
	** if not 1:3 return -E
	** save "struct file *" where needed

(all of this is modulo unlinked case)

/proc/*/stat is much trickier (and BTW can very well ruin idea of piping
dumpfile to somewhere by introducing honest loops in restoration hierarchy)

  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-05 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-05 16:38 [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/11] kill '_data' in cr_hdr_fd_data name Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/11] breakout fdinfo sprintf() into its own function Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/11] Introduce generic_file_checkpoint() Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/11] actually use f_op in checkpoint code Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/11] add generic checkpoint f_op to ext fses Dave Hansen
2009-03-13  2:50   ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/11] add checkpoint_file_generic() to /proc Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/11] file c/r: expose functions to query fs support Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/11] expose file checkpointability and reasoning in /proc Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/11] check files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-09 17:38   ` Matt Helsley
2009-03-12 19:14     ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/11] add checkpoint/restart compile helper Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/11] optimize c/r check in dup_fd() Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 17:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 19:16   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 21:08     ` Alexey Dobriyan [this message]
2009-03-05 21:27       ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 22:00         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 22:24           ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 14:34             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 15:48               ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 16:23                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 16:46                   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 18:24                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 19:42                       ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13  3:05               ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-06 15:08           ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-06 15:35             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 17:36               ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-06 18:30                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-11  7:51                   ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-12 15:30                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13  6:36                       ` Ensuring c/r maintainability (WAS Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability) Matt Helsley
2009-03-13 17:53                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-05 19:44   ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-05 18:16   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-10 15:57 ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 16:00   ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 16:23     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 16:20   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 17:23     ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 17:45       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 17:47         ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-10 16:22   ` Dave Hansen

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