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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	ltt-dev@lists.casi.polymtl.ca,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Pekka Paalanen <pq@iki.fi>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Martin Bligh <mbligh@google.com>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	Tom Zanussi <tzanussi@gmail.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Jiaying Zhang <jiayingz@google.com>,
	Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu <eduard.munteanu@linux360.ro>,
	mrubin@google.com, md@google.com
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	Jon Masters <jcm@jonmasters.org>, Jon Masters <jcm@redhat.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Subject: [RFC patch 25/41] Markers Support for Proprierary Modules
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:47:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090305225517.240058002@polymtl.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20090305224728.947235917@polymtl.ca

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There seems to be good arguments for markers to support proprierary modules. So
I am throwing this one-liner in and let's see how people react. It only makes
sure that a module that has been "forced" to be loaded won't have its markers
used. It is important to leave this check to make sure the kernel does not crash
by expecting the markers part of the struct module by mistake in the case there
is an incorrect checksum.


Discussion so far :
http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/1/22/226

Jon Masters <jcm@redhat.com> writes:
I notice in module.c:

#ifdef CONFIG_MARKERS
      if (!mod->taints)
              marker_update_probe_range(mod->markers,
                      mod->markers + mod->num_markers, NULL, NULL);
#endif

Is this an attempt to not set a marker for proprietary modules? [...]

* Frank Ch. Eigler (fche@redhat.com) wrote:
I can't seem to find any discussion about this aspect.  If this is the
intent, it seems misguided to me.  There may instead be a relationship
to TAINT_FORCED_{RMMOD,MODULE}.  Mathieu?

- FChE

On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 22:10 -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
On my part, its mostly a matter of not crashing the kernel when someone
tries to force modprobe of a proprietary module (where the checksums
doesn't match) on a kernel that supports the markers. Not doing so
causes the markers to try to find the marker-specific information in
struct module which doesn't exist and OOPSes.

Christoph's point of view is rather more drastic than mine : it's not
interesting for the kernel community to help proprietary modules writers,
so it's a good idea not to give them marker support. (I CC'ed him so he
can clarify his position).

* Frank Ch. Eigler (fche@redhat.com) wrote:
[...]
Another way of looking at this though is that by allowing/encouraging
proprietary module writers to include markers, we and their users get
new diagnostic capabilities.  It constitutes a little bit of opening
up, which IMO we should reward rather than punish.


* Vladis Ketnieks (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:48:12 EST, Mathieu Desnoyers said:

> This specific one is a kernel policy matter, and I personally don't
> have a strong opinion about it. I agree that you raise a good counter
> argument : it can be useful to proprietary modules users to be able to
> extract tracing information from those modules to argue with their
> vendors that their driver/hardware is broken (a tracer is _very_ useful
> in that kind of situation).

Amen, brother. Been there, done that, got the tshirt (not on Linux, but
other operating systems).

>                             However, it is also useful to proprieraty
> module writers who can benefit from the merged kernel/modules traces.
> Do we want to give them this ability ?

The proprietary module writer has the *source* for the kernel and their module.
There's no way you can prevent the proprietary module writers from using this
feature as long as you allow other module writers to use it.

>                                           It would surely help writing
> better proprieraty kernel modules.

The biggest complaint against proprietary modules is that they make it
impossible for *us* to debug.  And you want to argue *against* a feature that
would allow them to develop better code that causes less crashes, and therefor
less people *asking* for us to debug it?

Remember - when a user tries a Linux box with a proprietary module, and the
experience sucks because the module sucks, they will walk away thinking
"Linux sucks", not "That module sucks".

Signed-off-by: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
Acked-by: Jon Masters <jcm@jonmasters.org>
CC: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>
CC: Jon Masters <jcm@redhat.com>
CC: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
CC: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
CC: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
CC: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
---
 kernel/module.c |    4 ++--
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

Index: linux-2.6-lttng/kernel/module.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6-lttng.orig/kernel/module.c	2009-03-05 15:45:38.000000000 -0500
+++ linux-2.6-lttng/kernel/module.c	2009-03-05 15:45:49.000000000 -0500
@@ -2809,7 +2809,7 @@ void module_update_markers(void)
 
 	mutex_lock(&module_mutex);
 	list_for_each_entry(mod, &modules, list)
-		if (!mod->taints)
+		if (!(mod->taints & TAINT_FORCED_MODULE))
 			marker_update_probe_range(mod->markers,
 				mod->markers + mod->num_markers);
 	mutex_unlock(&module_mutex);
@@ -2826,7 +2826,7 @@ int module_get_iter_markers(struct marke
 
 	mutex_lock(&module_mutex);
 	list_for_each_entry(iter_mod, &modules, list) {
-		if (!iter_mod->taints) {
+		if (!(iter_mod->taints & TAINT_FORCED_MODULE)) {
 			/*
 			 * Sorted module list
 			 */

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-03-05 23:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-05 22:47 [RFC patch 00/41] LTTng 0.105 core for Linux 2.6.27-rc9 Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 01/41] LTTng - core header Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-06 18:37   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 02/41] LTTng - core data structures Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-06 18:41   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 03/41] LTTng core x86 Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 04/41] LTTng core powerpc Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 05/41] LTTng relay buffer allocation, read, write Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 06/41] LTTng optimize write to page function Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 07/41] LTTng dynamic channels Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 08/41] LTTng - tracer header Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 09/41] LTTng optimize write to page function deal with unaligned access Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 10/41] lttng-optimize-write-to-page-function-remove-some-memcpy-calls Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 11/41] ltt-relay: cache pages address Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 12/41] x86 : export vmalloc_sync_all() Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 13/41] LTTng - tracer code Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 14/41] Splice and pipe : export pipe buf operations for GPL modules Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 15/41] Poll : add poll_wait_set_exclusive Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 16/41] LTTng Transport Locked Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 17/41] LTTng - serialization Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 18/41] Seq_file add support for sorted list Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 19/41] Sort module list by pointer address to get coherent sleepable seq_file iterators Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 20/41] Linux Kernel Markers - Iterator Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 21/41] LTTng probes specialized tracepoints Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 22/41] LTTng marker control Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 23/41] Immediate Values Stub header Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 24/41] Linux Kernel Markers - Use Immediate Values Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 26/41] Marers remove old comment Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 27/41] Markers use dynamic channels Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 28/41] LTT trace control Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 29/41] LTTng menus Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 23:35   ` Randy Dunlap
2009-03-05 23:47     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 23:51       ` Randy Dunlap
2009-03-06  0:01         ` [ltt-dev] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-06  0:12           ` Randy Dunlap
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 30/41] LTTng build Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:47 ` [RFC patch 31/41] LTTng userspace event v2 Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:48 ` [RFC patch 32/41] LTTng filter Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:48 ` [RFC patch 33/41] LTTng dynamic tracing support with kprobes Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:48 ` [RFC patch 34/41] Marker header API update Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:48 ` [RFC patch 35/41] Marker " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:48 ` [RFC patch 36/41] kvm markers " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:48 ` [RFC patch 37/41] Markers : multi-probes test Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:48 ` [RFC patch 38/41] Markers examples API update Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:48 ` [RFC patch 39/41] SPUFS markers " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:48 ` [RFC patch 40/41] EXT4: instrumentation with tracepoints Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-05 22:48 ` [RFC patch 41/41] JBD2: use tracepoints for instrumentation Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-06 10:11 ` [RFC patch 00/41] LTTng 0.105 core for Linux 2.6.27-rc9 Ingo Molnar
2009-03-06 19:02   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-11 18:32     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-13 16:18       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-14 16:43         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-14 16:59           ` [ltt-dev] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-03-06 18:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-03-06 19:01   ` Frederic Weisbecker

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