From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: Greg Kurz <gkurz@fr.ibm.com>
Cc: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:35:49 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090306153549.GA898@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1236352121.5732.80.camel@bahia>
Quoting Greg Kurz (gkurz@fr.ibm.com):
> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 01:00 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:27:07PM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > > > Imagine, unsupported file is opened between userspace checks
> > > > for /proc/*/checkpointable and /proc/*/fdinfo/*/checkpointable
> > > > and whatever, you stil have to do all the checks inside checkpoint(2).
> > >
> > > Alexey, we have two problems here. I completely agree that we have to
> > > do complete and thorough checks of each file descriptor at
> > > sys_checkpoint(). Any checks made at other times should not be trusted.
> > >
> > > The other side is what Ingo has been asking for. How do we *know* when
> > > we are checkpointable *before* we call (and without calling)
> >
> > This "without calling checkpoint(2)" results in much complications
> > as demonstrated.
> >
> > task_struct and file are not like other structures because they are exposed
> > in /proc. For PROC_FS=n kernels, one can't even check.
> >
> > You can do checkpoint(2) without actual dump. You pass, you're most
> > certainly checkpointable (with inevitable race condition in mind).
> >
>
> Ahhh thank you very much Alexey ! I wanted to explain this to Dave a few
> monthes ago but I failed... probably because of my poor English skills.
>
> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/containers/2008-October/013549.html
>
> Why would we add checking all over the place when it MUST be done on the
> sys_checkpoint() path ? The checkpoint(2) dry-run is definitely the way
> to go.
I'm sure Dave understood that this was possible :)
But what you and Alexey are proposing does not and cannot fullfill
Ingo's requirement.
-serge
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-03-06 15:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-05 16:38 [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/11] kill '_data' in cr_hdr_fd_data name Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/11] breakout fdinfo sprintf() into its own function Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/11] Introduce generic_file_checkpoint() Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/11] actually use f_op in checkpoint code Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/11] add generic checkpoint f_op to ext fses Dave Hansen
2009-03-13 2:50 ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/11] add checkpoint_file_generic() to /proc Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/11] file c/r: expose functions to query fs support Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/11] expose file checkpointability and reasoning in /proc Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/11] check files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-09 17:38 ` Matt Helsley
2009-03-12 19:14 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/11] add checkpoint/restart compile helper Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/11] optimize c/r check in dup_fd() Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 17:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 19:16 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 21:08 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 21:27 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 22:00 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 22:24 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 14:34 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 15:48 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 16:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 16:46 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 18:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 19:42 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13 3:05 ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-06 15:08 ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-06 15:35 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2009-03-06 17:36 ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-06 18:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-11 7:51 ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-12 15:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13 6:36 ` Ensuring c/r maintainability (WAS Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability) Matt Helsley
2009-03-13 17:53 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-05 19:44 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-05 18:16 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-10 15:57 ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 16:00 ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 16:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 16:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 17:23 ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 17:45 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 17:47 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-10 16:22 ` Dave Hansen
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