From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: Igor Zhbanov <izh1979@gmail.com>,
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
neilb@suse.de, Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morgan <morgan@kernel.org>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>
Subject: Re: Ответ: VFS, NFS security bug? Should CAP_MKNOD and CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE be added to CAP_FS_MASK?
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:13:40 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090316231340.GC15522@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1237237216.1035.195.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 13:49 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
> > > On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 14:00 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > > Quoting Igor Zhbanov (izh1979@gmail.com):
> > > > > But ordinary users can't create devices. It seems to me that in time
> > > > > of implementation of capabilities in kernel 2.4, capabilities related
> > > > > to filesystem was added first. And mark for them contains all above in
> > > > > header file. And when CAP_MKNOD was added later, author just forget to
> > > > > update mask.
> > > > >
> > > > > If mask was designed to drop all filesystem related capabilities, then
> > > > > it must be expanded, because ordinary users cannot create devices etc.
> > > >
> > > > I think you thought Bruce was saying we shouldn't change the set of
> > > > capabilities, but he was just asking exactly what changes Michael was
> > > > interested in.
> > > >
> > > > Igor, thanks for finding this. I never got your original message. Do
> > > > you have a patdch to add the two capabilities? Do you think the
> > > > other two I mentioned (CAP_SYS_ADMIN and CAP_SETFCAP) need to be
> > > > added too?
> > > >
> > > > I've added Andrew Morgan, LSM and SELinux mailing lists to get another
> > > > opinion about adding those two. In particular, we'd be adding them
> > > > to the fs_masks becuase CAP_SYS_ADMIN lets you change the selinux
> > > > label, and CAP_SETFCAP lets you change the file capabilities.
> > >
> > > I'd be inclined against adding CAP_SYS_ADMIN to the mask; note that it
> > > is only checked for setting SELinux security contexts (or more broadly
> > > any attributes in the security namespace) when SELinux is disabled. In
> > > the SELinux-enabled case, we are checking SELinux-specific permissions
> > > when setting the SELinux attributes, whether on the client or the
> > > server.
> >
> > But that's exactly why it seemed like it ought to be in there. If
> > SELinux is enabled, then SELinux will continue to perform it's own
> > checks based on security context and ignoring privileged root. But
> > outside of that, since we are in a root-is-privileged mode, should it
> > not be the case that having fsuid=0 means that you can set extended
> > attributes in the security namespace?
> >
> > Conversely, if setting fsuid to non-zero, shouldn't all of the
> > privileged ways of setting file attributes be lost? Or, will we run
> > into a problem where software wanted to set its fsuid to non-0 but
> > still be able to call sethostname(2), for instance? In which case
> > we simply cannot put CAP_SYS_ADMIN in CAP_FS_MASK.
> >
> > I guess it comes back down to whether those xattrs are considered a
> > security attribute or a simple file property.
>
> Well, they are a security attribute, but CAP_SYS_ADMIN was never
> supposed to cover them. In fact, none of the upstream security modules
So do you think it makes sense to have CAP_MAC_ADMIN and CAP_FOWNER
in CAP_FS_MASK? In other words are you objecting to CAP_SYS_ADMIN
because of all of its other implications, or because you disagree
that labels for security modules should be treated as mere fs data
here?
> uses CAP_SYS_ADMIN to control setting of its own attributes:
> - SELinux applies a DAC check and its own set of MAC file permission
> checks,
> - Smack applies CAP_MAC_ADMIN,
> - Capabilities applies CAP_SETFCAP.
>
> Checking CAP_SYS_ADMIN was really just a fallback to prevent unchecked
> setting of attributes in the no-LSM case. It might make more sense to
> return EOPNOTSUPP for any attributes unknown to the enabled security
I suspect that would create a LOT of bug reports. Would requiring
CAP_MAC_ADMIN seem reasonable?
> module and require you to enable the desired module before setting the
> attributes these days.
> http://marc.info/?t=107428809400002&r=1&w=2
>
> I don't think this will make any difference for labeled NFS at present,
> as the current labeled NFS patches only export the MAC label attribute
> if the server has the MAC model enabled. So CAP_SYS_ADMIN won't get
> checked regardless.
>
> Trusted namespace is another case where CAP_SYS_ADMIN check is applied
> on file operations.
Which seems like all the more reason why CAP_SYS_ADMIN would need to
be added to the CAP_FS_MASK. Or do you mean that check should also be
changed for something else? (CAP_MAC_ADMIN, or some new CAP_FS_XATTR?)
-serge
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-03-16 23:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-11 12:53 VFS, NFS security bug? Should CAP_MKNOD and CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE be added to CAP_FS_MASK? Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-11 23:23 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-12 16:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-12 16:31 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-12 16:10 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-12 19:00 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-12 20:56 ` Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-12 20:21 ` Michael Kerrisk
2009-03-13 17:58 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-13 18:37 ` Ответ: " Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-13 19:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 18:21 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-16 18:49 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 21:00 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-16 22:26 ` Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-16 23:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2009-03-16 23:17 ` Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-17 14:20 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-17 17:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-17 17:52 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-17 18:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-18 16:17 ` ?????: " Casey Schaufler
2009-03-18 16:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-18 16:21 ` Ответ: " Stephen Smalley
2009-03-18 16:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-18 16:57 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-18 17:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 22:48 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-16 23:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-14 19:20 ` Michael Kerrisk
2009-03-16 14:16 ` Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-16 16:36 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-16 16:46 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-16 17:05 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 17:04 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 22:54 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-16 22:59 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-23 13:21 ` unprivileged mounts vs. rmdir (was: VFS, NFS security bug? ...) Miklos Szeredi
2009-03-26 12:43 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-26 13:14 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-03-27 7:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
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