From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Cc: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
Igor Zhbanov <izh1979@gmail.com>,
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
neilb@suse.de, Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morgan <morgan@kernel.org>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>
Subject: Re: ?????: VFS, NFS security bug? Should CAP_MKNOD and CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE be added to CAP_FS_MASK?
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:38:24 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090318163824.GA27906@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49C11EA5.7030208@schaufler-ca.com>
Quoting Casey Schaufler (casey@schaufler-ca.com):
> Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
> >
> >> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 12:39 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> >>
> >>> Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
> >>>
> >>>>> So do you think it makes sense to have CAP_MAC_ADMIN and CAP_FOWNER
> >>>>> in CAP_FS_MASK? In other words are you objecting to CAP_SYS_ADMIN
> >>>>> because of all of its other implications, or because you disagree
> >>>>> that labels for security modules should be treated as mere fs data
> >>>>> here?
> >>>>>
> >>>> For CAP_FOWNER, yes (and it is already there). CAP_MAC_ADMIN is less
> >>>>
> >>> Sorry, I meant CAP_SETFCAP. Should it be added?
> >>>
> >> Sure - it is only used for filesystem operations.
> >>
> >
> > Ok, so then:
> >
> >
> >>>> ideal as it isn't clearly tied to filesystem accesses, and likewise for
> >>>> CAP_MAC_OVERRIDE (but that one is included in CAP_FS_MASK already).
> >>>>
> >>> So it is. I didn't realize that.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Ideally the capability space would be partitioned into capabilities that
> >>>> affect filesystem accesses and the rest so that setfsuid() would yield
> >>>> the expected behavior of only affecting filesystem access.
> >>>> CAP_SYS_ADMIN is even less suitable due to its pervasive use outside of
> >>>> the filesystem. So that's the first concern.
> >>>>
> >>>> The second one is that we don't want CAP_SYS_ADMIN (or CAP_MAC_ADMIN) to
> >>>> be required when setting SELinux labels. Only the SELinux permission
> >>>> checks should govern setting those labels (aside from the usual DAC
> >>>> ownership || CAP_FOWNER check).
> >>>>
> >>> So if a non-selinux kernel is booted, then you think only the usual
> >>> DAC checks should be required to set selinux labels?
> >>>
> >> I'm talking about the dumb NFS server case (non-SELinux NFS server
> >> providing label and data storage to SELinux clients, MAC enforcement
> >> handled client-side). But we aren't there yet, so I don't think we have
> >> to worry about it right now.
> >>
> >
> > But in cap_inode_setxattr, any security.* xattrs are controlled by
> > CAP_SYS_ADMIN. So do you think that this should be changed to a
> > CAP_XATTR_SECURITY capability which can be added to CAP_FS_MASK?
> >
>
> Hum. The intention of CAP_MAC_ADMIN was that it control the explicit
> setting of the access control attributes used by the Smack LSM. I
> personally prefer a single capability for the action over multiple
> capabilities based on the objects involved. If you introduce
> CAP_XATTR_SECURITY I would think that CAP_PROC_XATTR,
> CAP_SVIPC_XATTR, CAP_NETWORK_XATTR, ... would follow in short order
> and I hate the idea of having hundreds of capabilities. If you
> must decouple the capability from MAC, how about a new name?
Oh I didn't say that we must, I'm just trying to figure out what we want
to do in the case that a security.foo xattr is being set, and the foo
LSM is not compiled in.
What is being done right now is that CAP_SYS_ADMIN is required to do
the setting, and so doing
setresuid(500,500,0);
setfsuid(0);
setxattr(somefilename, "security.SMACK64", LABEL, sizeof(LABEL), 0);
will fail the setxattr.
-serge
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-03-18 16:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-11 12:53 VFS, NFS security bug? Should CAP_MKNOD and CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE be added to CAP_FS_MASK? Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-11 23:23 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-12 16:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-12 16:31 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-12 16:10 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-12 19:00 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-12 20:56 ` Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-12 20:21 ` Michael Kerrisk
2009-03-13 17:58 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-13 18:37 ` Ответ: " Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-13 19:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 18:21 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-16 18:49 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 21:00 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-16 22:26 ` Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-16 23:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 23:17 ` Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-17 14:20 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-17 17:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-17 17:52 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-17 18:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-18 16:17 ` ?????: " Casey Schaufler
2009-03-18 16:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2009-03-18 16:21 ` Ответ: " Stephen Smalley
2009-03-18 16:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-18 16:57 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-18 17:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 22:48 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-16 23:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-14 19:20 ` Michael Kerrisk
2009-03-16 14:16 ` Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-16 16:36 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-16 16:46 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-16 17:05 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 17:04 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 22:54 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-16 22:59 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-23 13:21 ` unprivileged mounts vs. rmdir (was: VFS, NFS security bug? ...) Miklos Szeredi
2009-03-26 12:43 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-26 13:14 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-03-27 7:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
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