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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: David Rees <drees76@gmail.com>
Cc: "Trenton D. Adams" <trenton.d.adams@gmail.com>,
	Christian Kujau <lists@nerdbynature.de>,
	Artem Bityutskiy <Artem.Bityutskiy@nokia.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: EXT4-ish "fixes" in UBIFS
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 01:02:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090403050246.GM9870@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <72dbd3150904021958q7795dc62keb54d1fbfaa6abc7@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 07:58:17PM -0700, David Rees wrote:
> 
> I've got a problematic server with 8GB RAM.  Even if set both to 1,
> that's 80MB and the crappy disks I have in it will often only write
> 10-20MB/s or less due to the seekiness of the workload.  That means
> delays of 5-10 seconds worst case which isn't fun.
> 

Well, one solution is data=writeback.  If you're confident your server
isn't going to randomly crash (i.e., it's on a UPS, and you're not
running unstable video drivers), that might be a solution.  It has
tradeoffs, though.

One thing which I'll probably implement is some patches to ext3 so
that when it's in data=writeback mode, it will use the same
replace-via-rename and replace-via-truncate hueristics that I added in
ext4 so that it will start an aysnchronous writeout on the rename() or
close() w/ truncate().  That should avoid existing files getting
corrupted when they are replaced right before the system crashes.  

People will still be better off moving to ext4, but for people who
aren't quite confident in ext4's stability yet and who want to stick
with ext3, maybe it's a good short-term solution.  Maybe
data=writeback with the rename hueristic would be a better default
than data=ordered for ext3.

						- Ted

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-03  5:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-27 12:48 EXT4-ish "fixes" in UBIFS Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-28  1:22 ` Kyungmin Park
2009-03-29 12:31   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 12:54     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 12:26 ` replace() system call needed (was Re: EXT4-ish "fixes" in UBIFS) Pavel Machek
2009-03-29 12:42   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 12:50     ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-29 13:00       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 13:02         ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-29 13:07           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 13:22             ` Andreas T.Auer
2009-03-29 13:55               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 13:40             ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-29 13:57               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 14:00                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-30 17:19       ` Ric Wheeler
2009-03-30 22:11         ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-29 13:01     ` Andreas T.Auer
2009-03-29 13:06       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-30 15:58   ` Diego Calleja
2009-04-03  0:09 ` EXT4-ish "fixes" in UBIFS Christian Kujau
2009-04-03  0:24   ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  0:28     ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  0:38       ` Christian Kujau
2009-04-03  0:54         ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  0:54         ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  0:59           ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  1:55       ` David Rees
2009-04-03  2:05         ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  2:19           ` David Rees
2009-04-03  2:28             ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  2:58               ` David Rees
2009-04-03  3:13                 ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  3:14                   ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  5:02                 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2009-04-03  5:15                   ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  6:30                     ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-03 18:53                       ` Chris Adams
2009-04-03 18:05                   ` David Rees
2009-04-09 20:17                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-04-03  2:26         ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  2:05   ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-03  2:45     ` Christian Kujau
2009-04-03  2:49       ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  6:53   ` Artem Bityutskiy
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