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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, niv@us.ibm.com, dvhltc@us.ibm.com,
	dhowells@redhat.com, kernel@wantstofly.org, matthew@wil.cx,
	Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] v3 RCU: the bloatwatch edition
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:44:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090408184404.GG6745@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090408165528.GA16317@linux-sh.org>

On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 01:55:29AM +0900, Paul Mundt wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 06:38:38PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:36:05AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > > * Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > > > This patch is a version of RCU designed for (!SMP && EMBEDDED) 
> > > > > provided as a proof of concept of a small-footprint RCU 
> > > > > implementation. In particular, the implementation of 
> > > > > synchronize_rcu() is extremely lightweight and high performance.  
> > > > > It passes rcutorture testing in each of the four relevant 
> > > > > configurations (combinations of NO_HZ and PREEMPT) on x86.  This 
> > > > > saves about 900 bytes compared to Classic RCU, and a couple 
> > > > > kilobytes compared to Hierarchical RCU:
> > > > 
> > > > Andrew, what do you think?
> > > > 
> > > > A worry is yet another RCU variant - we already have 3.
> > > > 
> > > > A trick we could use would be to put it into Documentation/rcu/, 
> > > > linked in via some clever Makefile magic and only usable if a 
> > > > ultra-embedded developer does a build with something like 
> > > > CONFIG_RCU_TINY=y. That way there's no real maintenance and testing 
> > > > overhead.
> > > > 
> > > > It _does_ have documentation value beyond the ~900 bytes: it's the 
> > > > simplest and smallest possible still-working UP RCU implementation 
> > > > so it would be easy to teach RCU concepts via that, gradually.
> > > 
> > > A similar argument could have been used for tiny-shmem when it was 
> > > first integrated. As this is hiding behind CONFIG_EMBEDDED, most 
> > > users are not going to run in to it, so the confusion of 1 more 
> > > RCU variant is not likely to be a problem for those that aren't 
> > > actively seeking it out.
> > > 
> > > So, personally I think it is a good idea, and I have no 
> > > reservations about default enabling it for a number of more 
> > > constrained SH platforms.
> > 
> > but at least tiny-shmem is now nicely hidden in mm/shmem.c, in an 
> > unintrusive !CONFIG_SHMEM branch. There's no CONFIG_TINY_SHMEM 
> > option anymore - it's all done in the !CONFIG_SHMEM case.
> > 
> Now it is, yes, but it was not originally, and it was still useful when
> it was split out. If we are going to tolerate multiple RCU
> implementations in the kernel, then I see no reason to not include
> tiny-RCU in the same category. Even in the case where some of the other
> RCU variants go away, tiny-RCU remains a viable option for simple
> platforms that are more concerned about memory than anything else, so
> it's always a valid alternative.
> 
> If in the future things are more consolidated and the config option goes
> away then great, but that hardly seems like a sane prerequisite for
> merging it. CONFIG_EMBEDDED handles this just fine. You don't need to
> enable it if you don't wish to, but it's certainly measurable enough to
> be useful for those of us that have no problems enabling it ;-)

>From a kernel-size viewpoint:

  788 kernel/rcuclassic.c
  190 include/linux/rcuclassic.h
  978 total

  288 kernel/rcutiny.c
   68 include/linux/rcutiny.h
  356 total

Almost a 3x decrease in lines of code.  So, Seems to me that dropping
rcuclassic (as rcutree proves itself) and taking up rcutiny instead is
a good step forward.  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-08 18:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-03 18:34 [PATCH] v2 RCU: the bloatwatch edition Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-29 20:31 ` [PATCH] v3 " Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-02 22:36   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-02 22:44     ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-03  0:02       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-03  6:52       ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-03 10:45         ` Lennert Buytenhek
2009-04-02 22:44     ` Paul Mundt
2009-04-08 16:38       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-08 16:55         ` Paul Mundt
2009-04-08 18:44           ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2009-04-28 14:24   ` David Howells
2009-04-28 19:45     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-28 21:39       ` David Howells
2009-04-29  0:57         ` Paul E. McKenney

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