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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	hpa@zytor.com, tglx@linutronix.de, rusty@rustcorp.com.au,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	davej@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Fix quilt merge error in acpi-cpufreq.c
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:23:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090416072354.GA3031@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0904151918370.4042@localhost.localdomain>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > Show me one person _you_ actually taught to write good 
> > changelogs - just one person who was not a natural born talker 
> > to begin with. I'll show you a 100 other people who cannot write 
> > good commit logs. They'll try and will limp along, but generally 
> > they cannot.
> > 
> > They might not even have English as their mother tongue - but 
> > still can read and understand C fantastically.
> 
> So?
> 
> The fix for that is not to write crap English. The fix for that is 
> to help them, and/or just fix their comments for them.
> 
> I really don't see the point of your argument. "People don't 
> always write good and complete sentences" is _not_ an argument for 
> then making that a standard.
> 
> Just fix things up. Edit their emails. I do. Andrew does. Yes, and 
> despite that some commits will still have odd grammar or otherwise 
> not be the great novel of the century, and that's not the point. 
> But we should _improve_ on the language for people who aren't 
> native English speakers, not devolve it to something weaker.

I too end up editing the language and typography non-trivially for 
about 90% of all patches i apply, so there is certainly no lack of 
effort here either.

Moving the impact line to the tags section certainly sounds like a 
good solution to make the main flow of the commit be natural 
language - while still keeping most of the good aspects of the tag 
for those who want to use them.

So if that variant now has the official penguin-pee on it, i'd like 
to move back to maintaining^W editing commits! :)

Note: today is a flag day when i'll flip over to putting the 
impact-tag to the tail section - you'll still see impact lines at 
the head of the commit for already committed bits. They might thus 
show up in the next merge window or even later (if a topic needs 
more work than that).

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-16  7:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200904140159.n3E1x1K1014705@hera.kernel.org>
2009-04-14  2:05 ` Fix quilt merge error in acpi-cpufreq.c Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15  5:44   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 10:44     ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-15 15:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-15 16:26         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 16:46           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-15 17:00             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-15 17:19           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-15 18:47             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-15 19:43               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-15 20:07                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 20:32                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-15 21:03                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 21:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-15 22:40                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 23:08                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  0:08                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16  0:23                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  0:38                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  0:50                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16  4:33                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-16  7:14                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16 15:24                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-04-15 23:49                       ` David Miller
2009-04-16 11:00                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-15 21:17                     ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-15 23:04                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 21:23                 ` David Miller
2009-04-15 22:48                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 23:11                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  0:44                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16  1:03                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  1:46                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16  2:22                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  7:23                               ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-04-16  3:55                             ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-16  7:44                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16 15:41                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-04-16 13:04                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-04-16  2:00               ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-16  2:22                 ` Paul Gortmaker
2009-04-16  2:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  3:10                 ` Ray Lee
2009-04-16  7:56                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16 11:57                   ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-16 13:55                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-04-20  8:14                   ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-20 10:38                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22  4:18                       ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-21 19:37                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-04-22  1:58                       ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-16  1:27         ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-16  2:31           ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-16  8:02             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 15:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-15 15:22       ` Ali Gholami Rudi
2009-04-15 16:41       ` Ingo Molnar
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2009-04-16  5:46                   ` Niel Lambrechts

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