From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
Alessio Igor Bogani <abogani@texware.it>,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH -tip] remove the BKL: Replace BKL in mount/umount syscalls with a mutex
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:13:46 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090416171346.GA26897@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090416170150.GA526@infradead.org>
* Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 06:49:27PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> > They dont really protect anything - the patch is wrong and
> > equivalent to a plain removal of the BKL.
> >
> > The only case we found to ever matter in practice is NFS: it
> > really wants to get rid of the BKL in nfsd_get_sb(). So pushing
> > down the BKL lock into per filesystems and then removing it from
> > NFS should do the trick.
> >
> > Would be nice to have some tentative Ack (or, a tentative
> > non-immediate-NAK) from Al before we go touch a lot of
> > filesystems though. Stupid dont-waste-human-effort
> > considerations and stuff.
> >
> > For us, the much simpler solution would be to drop the BKL in
> > nfsd_get_sb() and go on with life without to touch a dozen or so
> > filesystems. Alessio, mind trying that too, is it a solution for
> > your testcase?
>
> What about trying to attack it piece-mail? ->unmount_begin is
> really easy. The only one that doesn't protect everything
> properly is 9p, but it doesn't protect the state variable deep
> down a few levels of function calls at all.
>
> ->remount_fs should be easy enough to, we do have proper per-sb
> protection here, but do_remount_sb will need a bit of an audit.
> (and of course pushing lock_kernel down into the many instances
> and leave the cleanup-work to the fs maintainers).
>
> The actual mount path is more interesting as there are quite a few
> cases there. As a first step you can take lock_kernel from
> outside do_mount into the various do_foo calls inside it, and then
> work on those piece by piece.
We'd be glad to - but only with full principle and workflow backing
of VFS-folks. This has been going on for more than a year - with
ancient commits in tip:core/kill-the-BKL. I cannot mix stuff into it
that gets eventual hostile treatment and NAKs a few months down the
line, should this be submitted upstream.
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-16 17:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-16 14:27 [PATCH -tip] remove the BKL: Replace BKL in mount/umount syscalls with a mutex Alessio Igor Bogani
2009-04-16 14:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-16 16:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16 17:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-16 17:13 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-04-17 0:05 ` Al Viro
2009-04-16 16:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16 16:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16 23:56 ` Al Viro
2009-04-17 0:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-17 0:13 ` Al Viro
2009-04-17 0:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-17 0:38 ` Al Viro
2009-04-17 16:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-17 17:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-17 17:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-17 17:31 ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-04-17 18:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-17 18:44 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-04-22 17:28 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-17 18:08 ` Al Viro
2009-04-17 18:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-17 17:41 ` Al Viro
2009-04-17 17:34 ` Al Viro
2009-04-16 23:49 ` Al Viro
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