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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Alessio Igor Bogani <abogani@texware.it>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -tip] remove the BKL: Replace BKL in mount/umount syscalls with a mutex
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:38:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090417003805.GI26366@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090417002744.GB29630@elte.hu>

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 02:27:44AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:

> Could you give an example of such a weird interaction?

If I could give you one at the moment, I'd sent patches regardless of BKL
crusades.  I _have_ run into such crap before and it had been just that -
crap.

> I fear, unless i'm misunderstanding your feedback, that you are 
> setting the purist's irrealistically high burden to get rid of the 
> BKL from the VFS here.
> 
> "Arbitrary weird ones" means all BKL using sites in the kernel - all 
> ~800 ones - up to 800x800 == close to a million interactions to 
> check.

Sigh...  How about dumping that lovely strawman?  I've exsoddingplicitly
told you that all such stuff is *within* *individual* *fs* *driver*.

Start with taking these guys down into the superblock methods in question.
Drop that junk on VFS-only side of things completely (mount --move,
mount --bind, etc.).  Then we go looking for data structures that are
	a) internal to fs driver
	b) accessed by methods in question (in that fs driver)
	c) are shared between different filesystems.

Analysis is on per-fs basis.  And getting rid of these turds doesn't have
to happen in one patch.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-17  0:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-16 14:27 [PATCH -tip] remove the BKL: Replace BKL in mount/umount syscalls with a mutex Alessio Igor Bogani
2009-04-16 14:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-16 16:49   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16 17:01     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-16 17:13       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-17  0:05       ` Al Viro
2009-04-16 16:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16 16:58   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16 23:56   ` Al Viro
2009-04-17  0:01     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-17  0:13       ` Al Viro
2009-04-17  0:27         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-17  0:38           ` Al Viro [this message]
2009-04-17 16:56             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-17 17:04               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-17 17:21                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-17 17:31                   ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-04-17 18:03                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-17 18:44                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-04-22 17:28                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-17 18:08                   ` Al Viro
2009-04-17 18:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-17 17:41                 ` Al Viro
2009-04-17 17:34               ` Al Viro
2009-04-16 23:49 ` Al Viro

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