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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com, serue@us.ibm.com, steved@redhat.com,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Document that wake_up(), complete() and co. imply a full memory barrier
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:07:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090422150718.GA3583@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090422145658.GA15088@elte.hu>

On 04/22, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > So, I think that try_to_wake_up() implies that the LOADS after it
> > can't be reordered with STOREs before it (and wmb() of course).
>
> Note that the patch David sent says "full memory barrier", not "full
> memory barrier wrt. task->state":
>
> + (*) wake_up(), try_to_wake_up() and co. imply a full memory barrier.
> +
> + (*) complete() and co. imply a full memory barrier.
>
> These statements are not true in that form, as this code does not
> imply a full memory barrier. It does imply one on task->state
> _alone_ (and a couple of other wq-internal variables it happens to
> read for sure).
>
> But even that one isnt entirely true in the two sub-cases i noted:
> the !wq case (which can happen in object state teardown) and the
> special ->func handler (which can happen in custom wakeup code a'la
> eventpoll).
>
> So adding a comment that says "this is a full memory barrier" is
> simply not true to that extent, and is easily misunderstood. Adding
> "this is a fully memory barrier for task->state dependent data flow"
> would be more correct. (with a 'as long as wq is not NULL, and as
> long as the code using this isnt overriding ->func)
>
> Agreed?

Yes sure.

Except... not that it really matters, but the reading of ->state is
not "special". I mean,

	STORE;
	try_to_wake_up();
	LOAD;

in this case try_to_wake_up() acts as a barrier for STORE/LOAD. But
probably we should not rely on this. So personally I agree with
"for task->state dependent data flow" above.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-22 15:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-13 18:17 [PATCH] slow_work_thread() should do the exclusive wait Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-13 19:03 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-04-13 19:14   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-13 21:40   ` David Howells
2009-04-13 21:48     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-13 21:57       ` Trond Myklebust
2009-04-13 22:24         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-15 23:27           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-16  9:10             ` David Howells
2009-04-16 14:33               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-22 13:37                 ` [PATCH] Document that wake_up(), complete() and co. imply a full memory barrier David Howells
2009-04-22 13:51                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22 14:39                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-22 14:56                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22 15:07                         ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2009-04-22 15:12                     ` David Howells
2009-04-22 15:19                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22 16:23                       ` David Howells
2009-04-22 17:57                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-23 16:32                           ` [PATCH] It may not be assumed that wake_up(), finish_wait() and co. imply a " David Howells
2009-04-23 16:55                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-24 11:46                               ` David Howells
2009-04-24 15:08                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-24 17:08                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-24 17:43                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-24 17:48                                   ` David Howells
2009-04-24 18:06                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-28 10:18                                       ` David Howells
2009-04-28 13:00                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-24 17:28                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-24 17:53                                   ` David Howells
2009-04-24 18:30                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-23 17:07                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-23 20:35                               ` David Howells
2009-04-23 21:12                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-23 21:24                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-23 16:36                           ` [PATCH] Document that wake_up(), complete() and co. imply a full " Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-23 20:37                             ` David Howells
2009-04-23 16:00             ` [PATCH] slow_work_thread() should do the exclusive wait David Howells
2009-04-23 16:18               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-13 21:35 ` David Howells

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