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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	torvalds@osdl.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	serue@us.ibm.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] It may not be assumed that wake_up(), finish_wait() and co. imply a memory barrier
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:06:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090424180612.GC6754@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <27891.1240595286@redhat.com>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 06:48:06PM +0100, David Howells wrote:
> Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > Because there is no memory barrier between #2 and #3, reordering by
> > either the compiler or the CPU might cause the awakener to update the
> > event_indicated flag in #3 -before- completing its update of shared
> > state in #2.
> 
> If the ordering of #2 and #3 is important with respect to each other, then the
> awakener must manually interpolate a barrier of some sort between the two
> _before_ calling wake_up() (or it should wrap them in a lock).
> 
> As I've tried to make clear in my documentation:
> 
> 	Sleeping and waking on an event flagged in global data can be viewed as
> 	an interaction between two pieces of data: ===> the task state of the
> 	task waiting for the event and the global data used to indicate the
> 	event <===.
> 
> the barrier in wake_up() is only concerned with the ordering of #3 vs #6.  That
> is all it _can_ impose an order upon, since #2 and #3 both happen before
> wake_up() is called, and #3 is what causes the sleeper to break out of the
> sleep loop.
> 
> > So, for this to work correctly, don't we need at least an smp_wmb()
> > between #2 and #3 and at least an smp_rmb() between #4 and #5?  And if
> > #2 does reads (but not writes) at least one variable in the shared state
> > that #5 writes to, don't both barriers need to be smp_mb()?
> 
> Yes, but that's beyond the scope of this section.  set_current_state() imposes
> the partial ordering { #1, #4 } and wake_up() the partial ordering { #3, #6 }
> because those are the controlling features of the loop.
> 
> Managing the data beyond that is up to the caller of set_current_state() and
> the caller of wake_up().

Fair enough!

But I would strongly suggest at least a note calling this out, preferably a
"don't do this" example.

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-24 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-13 18:17 [PATCH] slow_work_thread() should do the exclusive wait Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-13 19:03 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-04-13 19:14   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-13 21:40   ` David Howells
2009-04-13 21:48     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-13 21:57       ` Trond Myklebust
2009-04-13 22:24         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-15 23:27           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-16  9:10             ` David Howells
2009-04-16 14:33               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-22 13:37                 ` [PATCH] Document that wake_up(), complete() and co. imply a full memory barrier David Howells
2009-04-22 13:51                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22 14:39                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-22 14:56                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22 15:07                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-22 15:12                     ` David Howells
2009-04-22 15:19                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22 16:23                       ` David Howells
2009-04-22 17:57                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-23 16:32                           ` [PATCH] It may not be assumed that wake_up(), finish_wait() and co. imply a " David Howells
2009-04-23 16:55                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-24 11:46                               ` David Howells
2009-04-24 15:08                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-24 17:08                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-24 17:43                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-24 17:48                                   ` David Howells
2009-04-24 18:06                                     ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2009-04-28 10:18                                       ` David Howells
2009-04-28 13:00                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-24 17:28                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-24 17:53                                   ` David Howells
2009-04-24 18:30                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-23 17:07                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-23 20:35                               ` David Howells
2009-04-23 21:12                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-23 21:24                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-23 16:36                           ` [PATCH] Document that wake_up(), complete() and co. imply a full " Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-23 20:37                             ` David Howells
2009-04-23 16:00             ` [PATCH] slow_work_thread() should do the exclusive wait David Howells
2009-04-23 16:18               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-13 21:35 ` David Howells

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