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From: Joerg Roedel <joerg.roedel@amd.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp,
	airlied@linux.ie
Subject: IOMMU and graphics cards
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:05:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090428150531.GZ17438@amd.com> (raw)

Hi David,

as I have seen the VT-d code implements a workaround for broken graphics
card drivers. What it does, when enabled, is giving each grahics device
direct access to all physical memory. I really don't like to implement
this but a similar workaround for the AMD IOMMU seems to be necessary.
The biggest problem here is that this kind of workaround disables device
isolation for graphics cards. Device isolation is the main reason for
using an IOMMU in an unvirtualized environment. So if this workaround is
enabled it is as good as disable the IOMMU at all.
Thats why I think a kernel compile option for this workaround is not
sufficient. Distributors will probably enable this in their kernels
which also disables device isolation even if the user don't want to use
these broken drivers.
I think we should change that and provide a better way which allows to
enable this workaround only if it is required (and it should be
transparent to the user which IOMMU is built into the system).
We have several options to do this:

	* Implement a kernel command line option to enable/disable the
	  workaround (what should be default?)
	* Use the IOMMU-API and write a kernel module which creates a
	  direct mapped protection domain and assigns the graphics
	  cards to it (need to be done carefully to not break graphics 
	  drivers which do everything right and use the DMA-API)
	* Any other great idea?

So what do you (and all the others reading this :-) think? I would
prefer the way of implementing a module but there may also be reasons
against this. I would like this to be disussed before I implement the
workaround for the AMD IOMMU.

Thanks,

	Joerg

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             reply	other threads:[~2009-04-28 15:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-28 15:05 Joerg Roedel [this message]
2009-04-28 15:28 ` IOMMU and graphics cards David Woodhouse
2009-04-28 16:04   ` Joerg Roedel
2009-05-07  7:47     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-07 10:01       ` Joerg Roedel
2009-05-07 10:22         ` David Woodhouse
2009-05-07 10:42           ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-07 12:15           ` Joerg Roedel
2009-05-07 12:59             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-07 14:37               ` Joerg Roedel
2009-05-07 17:04             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-07 18:36           ` David Miller
2009-05-08  9:35             ` Joerg Roedel
2009-07-06 12:26               ` David Woodhouse
2009-07-06 13:11                 ` Joerg Roedel
2009-07-06 14:18                   ` David Woodhouse
2009-07-06 21:35                     ` Dave Airlie
2009-07-06 22:00                       ` Dave Airlie
2009-07-07  8:54                         ` Joerg Roedel
2009-07-07 15:24                         ` Duran, Leo
2009-07-07 15:33                           ` Duran, Leo
2009-07-07 15:36                             ` David Woodhouse
2009-07-07  8:59                       ` Joerg Roedel
2009-07-07  9:16                         ` David Woodhouse
2009-07-07  9:05                       ` David Woodhouse
2009-05-07 10:23         ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-07 11:01           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-07 11:14             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-05-07 11:26               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-07 12:00           ` Joerg Roedel
2009-05-07 10:55         ` Ingo Molnar

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