From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>,
Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Q: selinux_bprm_committed_creds() && signals/do_wait
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:42:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090429134235.GA30585@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1241011014.18249.192.camel@localhost.localdomain>
On 04/29, Stephen Smalley wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 14:56 +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > On 04/29, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 08:58 +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Why do we need to s/IGN/DFL/ and why do we clear ->blocked ? How this can
> > > > help from the security pov?
> > >
> > > We don't want the caller to be able to arrange conditions that prevent
> > > correct handling of signals (e.g. SIGHUP) by the callee. That was
> > > motivated by a specific attack against newrole, but was a general issue
> > > for any program that runs in a more trusted domain than its caller.
> >
> > Still can't understand...
> >
> > If the new image runs in a more trusted domain, then we should not change
> > SIG_IGN to SIG_DFL ?
> >
> > For example, a user does "nohup setuid_app". Now, why should we change
> > SIG_IGN to SIG_DFL for SIGHUP? This makes setuid_app more "vulnerable"
> > to SIGHUP, not more "protected". Confused.
>
> Not if the app was depending on the default handler for SIGHUP to
> correctly handle vhangup(). The point is that we don't necessarily
> trust the caller to define the handling behavior for signals in the
> callee. If we trust the caller to do so, then we can grant the
> corresponding permission.
>
> newrole scenario was to run it nohup, logout, wait for other user to
> login on same tty, trigger termination of newrole'd child shell, and
> have newrole relabel other user's tty to attacker's sid.
>
> > OK. Since I don't understand the security magic, you can just ignore me.
> > But I will appreciate any explanation for dummies ;)
> >
> > > As I recall, I based the logic in part on existing logic in
> > > call_usermodehelper().
> >
> > ____call_usermodehelper() does this because we should not exec a user-space
> > application with SIGKILL/SIGSTOP ignored/blocked. We don't have this problem
> > when user-space execs.
>
> But we still have the problem of the caller setting up the signal
> handlers or blocked signal mask prior to exec'ing the privileged
> program, right?
The callee can never setup the signal handler. Note that flush_old_exec()
does flush_signal_handlers() too. But it uses force_default == F.
OK, please forget this. I trust you even if can't understand ;)
My real concerns were SIGKILL and do_wait(), they were addressed.
Thanks!
Oleg.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-29 13:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-28 22:30 Q: selinux_bprm_committed_creds() && signals/do_wait Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-28 23:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-29 16:01 ` [PATCH] do_wait: do take security_task_wait() into account Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-30 20:31 ` Roland McGrath
2009-04-30 22:51 ` James Morris
2009-05-06 11:46 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-04-29 0:29 ` Q: selinux_bprm_committed_creds() && signals/do_wait James Morris
2009-04-29 6:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-29 10:02 ` David Howells
2009-04-29 10:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-29 11:17 ` David Howells
2009-04-29 11:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-29 12:42 ` David Howells
2009-04-29 12:45 ` David Howells
2009-04-29 13:28 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-30 0:37 ` James Morris
2009-04-29 12:20 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-04-29 12:56 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-29 13:16 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-04-29 13:42 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2009-04-29 13:43 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-04-29 14:47 ` Alan Cox
2009-04-29 15:39 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-04-29 13:18 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-04-29 13:30 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-29 14:02 ` ptrace: selinux_bprm_committed_creds: simplify __wake_up_parent() code and s/parent/real_parent/ Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-29 14:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-30 22:44 ` Roland McGrath
2009-05-03 20:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-05-04 17:38 ` Roland McGrath
2009-04-30 0:38 ` James Morris
2009-04-30 22:38 ` Roland McGrath
2009-04-29 14:48 ` Q: selinux_bprm_committed_creds() && signals/do_wait Alan Cox
2009-05-01 0:02 ` Roland McGrath
2009-05-01 0:44 ` David Howells
2009-05-01 0:50 ` Roland McGrath
2009-05-03 20:21 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-05-04 17:34 ` Roland McGrath
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