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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Yuriy Lalym <ylalym@gmail.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	ltt-dev@lists.casi.polymtl.ca,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	thomas.pi@arcor.dea,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [ltt-dev] [PATCH] Fix dirty page accounting in redirty_page_for_writepage()
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:12:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090430141211.GB5922@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0904300926530.22262@qirst.com>

* Christoph Lameter (cl@linux.com) wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Apr 2009, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> > > I see however that it's only guaranteed to be atomic wrt preemption.
> >
> > That's really only true for the non-x86 fallback defines. If we so
> > decide, we could make the fallbacks in asm-generic/percpu.h irq-safe
> 
> The fallbacks have different semantics and therefore we cannot rely on
> irq safeness in the core code when using the x86 cpu ops.
> 
> > nmi-safe isnt a big issue (we have no NMI code that interacts with
> > MM counters) - and we could make them irq-safe by fixing the
> > wrapper. (and on x86 they are NMI-safe too.)
> 
> There are also context in which you alrady are preempt safe and where the
> per cpu ops do not need to go through the prremption hoops.
> 
> This means it would be best to have 3 variants for 3 different contexts in
> the core code:
> 
> 1. Need irq safety
> 2. Need preempt safety
> 3. We know the operation is safe due to preemption already having been
> disabled or irqs are not enabled.
> 
> The 3 variants on x86 generate the same instructions. On other platforms
> they would need to be able to fallback in various way depending on the
> availability of instructions that are atomic vs. preempt or irqs.
> 

The problem here, as we did figure out a while ago with the atomic
slub we worked on a while ago, is that if we have the following code :

local_irq_save
var++
var++
local_irq_restore

that we would like to turn into irq-safe percpu variant with this
semantic :

percpu_add_irqsafe(var)
percpu_add_irqsafe(var)

We are generating two irq save/restore in the fallback, which will be
slow.

However, we could do the following trick :

percpu_irqsave(flags);
percpu_add_irq(var);
percpu_add_irq(var);
percpu_irqrestore(flags);

And we could require that percpu_*_irq operations are put within a
irq safe section. The fallback would disable interrupts, but
arch-specific irq-safe atomic implementations would replace this by
nops.

And if interrupts are already disabled, percpu_add_irq could be used
directly. There is no need to duplicate the primitives (no
_percpu_add_irq() needed). Same could apply to preempt-safety :

percpu_preempt_disable();
percpu_add(var);
percpu_add(var);
percpu_preempt_enable();

Where requirements on percpu_add would be to be called within a
percpu_preempt_disable/percpu_preempt_enable section or to be sure that
preemption is already disabled around.

Same thing could apply to bh. But I don't see any difference between
percpu_add_bh and percpu_add_irq, except maybe on architectures which
would use tri-values :

percpu_bh_disable();
percpu_add_bh(var);
percpu_add_bh(var);
percpu_bh_enable();

Thoughts ?

Mathieu

> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.cross-arch/1124
> http://lwn.net/Articles/284526/
> 
> 
-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-30 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-29 23:25 [PATCH] Fix dirty page accounting in redirty_page_for_writepage() Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-29 23:56 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-29 23:59 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-30  2:34   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-30  0:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-30  2:43   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-30  6:21     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30  6:33       ` [ltt-dev] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-30  6:50         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30 13:38           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 14:10             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30 14:12             ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2009-04-30 14:12               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 19:41                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-30 20:17                   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 21:17                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-05-01 13:44                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-01 19:21                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-05-01 19:31                           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-01 20:24                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-05-01 20:28                               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-01 20:43                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-05-01 20:42                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-01 21:19                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-05-02  3:00                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-02  7:01                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-05-02 21:01                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-05-04 14:08                               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-03  2:40       ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-04 14:10         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 13:22     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 13:38       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30 13:40         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 14:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30 14:15             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 14:38               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30 14:45                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 15:01                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30 15:25                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 15:42                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30 15:44                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 16:06                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30 16:11                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 16:16                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-30 17:23                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30 18:07                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-01 19:59                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-01 20:35                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-01 21:07                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-02  3:06                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-02  9:03                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-04 14:48                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 16:13                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-30 15:54                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30 16:00                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30 16:08                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 13:50         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-30 13:55           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 14:32           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30 14:42             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-30 14:59               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-30 16:03             ` [ltt-dev] " Mathieu Desnoyers

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