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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] ring-buffer: make cpu buffer entries counter atomic
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:52:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090501165258.GA26143@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0905011230350.20374@gandalf.stny.rr.com>


* Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:

> 
> On Fri, 1 May 2009, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > > > > the counter too. This would cause missing entries to be added.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > -	unsigned long			entries;
> > > > > > +	atomic_t			entries;
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hm, that's not really good as atomics can be rather expensive and 
> > > > > this is the fastpath.
> > > > 
> > > > Actually, it could be local_t. I used that in a lot of the other places.
> > > > The race is with on CPU not other CPUs, and on archs like x86 there
> > > > is not cost of the "LOCK".
> > > 
> > > Ug, it must be atomic_t. It is also modified by the reader. Thus 
> > > it is not only a race with a single CPU but also multiple CPUs.
> > > 
> > > This means that interrupts disabled is not the only proctection it 
> > > needs. It must either be an atomic, or protected by a spinlock.
> > 
> > Trace buffers are rather fundamentally per cpu. Where's the 
> > problem?
> 
> The entries keeps track of the number of entries in the buffer. A 
> writer (producer) adds to the counter and readers (consumers) 
> subtract from them. A writer can subtract them if it overwrites a 
> page before the producer consumes it.
> 
> Only the writers are pinned to a CPU, the readers happen on any 
> CPU.

But that does not require atomicity. It requires careful use of 
barriers, but otherwise atomicity is not needed. Update of machine 
word variables (if they are aligned to a machine word) is guaranteed 
to be atomic, even without atomic_t overhead.

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-01 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-01  2:22 [PATCH 0/3] [GIT PULL] tracing/ringbuffer: updates for tip Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  2:22 ` [PATCH 1/3] ring-buffer: add counters for commit overrun and nmi dropped entries Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  3:00   ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  3:11     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  3:22       ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  3:33         ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  3:38           ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  3:55             ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  2:22 ` [PATCH 2/3] tracing: export stats of ring buffers to userspace Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  3:08   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-05-01  3:23     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 12:43       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-05-01  2:22 ` [PATCH 3/3] ring-buffer: make cpu buffer entries counter atomic Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  3:06   ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  3:28     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 11:50   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-01 13:42     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-05-01 14:28       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 22:10         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-05-01 14:23     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 16:14       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 16:20         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-01 16:31           ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 16:32             ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 16:52             ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-05-01 17:11               ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 17:14                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-01 17:36                   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 17:42                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-01 17:56                       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 21:17                         ` Steven Rostedt

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