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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] ring-buffer: make cpu buffer entries counter atomic
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 00:10:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090501221022.GC6404@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0905011023580.20374@gandalf.stny.rr.com>

On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 10:28:13AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 1 May 2009, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 01:50:47PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > 
> > > * Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>
> > > > 
> > > > The entries counter in cpu buffer is not atomic. Although it only 
> > > > gets updated by a single CPU, interrupts may come in and update 
> > > > the counter too. This would cause missing entries to be added.
> > > 
> > > > -	unsigned long			entries;
> > > > +	atomic_t			entries;
> > > 
> > > Hm, that's not really good as atomics can be rather expensive and 
> > > this is the fastpath.
> > > 
> > > This is the upteenth time or so that the fact that we do not disable 
> > > irqs while generating trace entries bites us in one way or another. 
> > > IRQs can come in and confuse function trace output, etc. etc.
> > > 
> > > Please lets do what i suggested a long time ago: disable irqs _once_ 
> > > in any trace point and run atomically from that point on, and enable 
> > > them once, at the end.
> > > 
> > > The cost is very small and it turns into a win immediately by 
> > > elimination of a _single_ atomic instruction. (even on Nehalem they 
> > > cost 20 cycles. More on older CPUs.) We can drop the preempt-count 
> > > disable/enable as well and a lot of racy code as well. Please.
> > > 
> > > 	Ingo
> > 
> > 
> > I also suspect one other good effect on doing this.
> > 
> > As you know, between a lock_reserve and a discard, several interrupts
> > can trigger some traces. It means that if some rooms have already been
> > reserved, the discard will really create a discarded entry and we
> > can't reuse it.
> > 
> > For example in the case of filters with lock tracing, we rapidly run
> > into entries overriden, making the lock events tracing about useless
> > because we rapidly lose everything.
> 
> If you want, we can disable interrupts from the event tracer, not the ring 
> buffer.
> 
> We would have to go back to the original ring buffer code that passed in 
> flags.



Or may be just copy the entry on the stack and filter on it,
then only reserve if it is eligible.


 
> > 
> > At least that's an effect I observed. I'm not sure the discard is the
> > real cause but it seems to make sense.
> > 
> > That's a pity because believe me it is very useful to hunt a softlockup.
> > 
> > Of course it doesn't prevent from NMI tempest, but we already have
> > protections for that.
> 
> If we do not allow interrupts to be traced, we can not allow NMIs either. 
> If we do not let the ring buffer be re-entrant, then we will not be able 
> to trace any NMI (to be safe).
> 
> Going this route, there would be no need to make a lockless ring buffer 
> either.


Hm that's really not what we want, indeed :-)
Just forget about what I said.


> 
> -- Steve
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-01 22:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-01  2:22 [PATCH 0/3] [GIT PULL] tracing/ringbuffer: updates for tip Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  2:22 ` [PATCH 1/3] ring-buffer: add counters for commit overrun and nmi dropped entries Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  3:00   ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  3:11     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  3:22       ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  3:33         ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  3:38           ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  3:55             ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  2:22 ` [PATCH 2/3] tracing: export stats of ring buffers to userspace Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  3:08   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-05-01  3:23     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 12:43       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-05-01  2:22 ` [PATCH 3/3] ring-buffer: make cpu buffer entries counter atomic Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01  3:06   ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  3:28     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 11:50   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-01 13:42     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-05-01 14:28       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 22:10         ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2009-05-01 14:23     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 16:14       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 16:20         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-01 16:31           ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 16:32             ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 16:52             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-01 17:11               ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 17:14                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-01 17:36                   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 17:42                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-01 17:56                       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-05-01 21:17                         ` Steven Rostedt

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