From: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>
To: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
Alan Jenkins <sourcejedi.lkml@googlemail.com>
Cc: Michael Riepe <michael.riepe@googlemail.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jan Blunck <jblunck@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] driver-core: devtmpfs - driver core maintained /dev tmpfs
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 18:20:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090504162011.GO17956@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ac3eb2510905021447m1fad2382h342b4d4279b75d3d@mail.gmail.com>
On 2009-05-02T23:47:03, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org> wrote:
> It is not about missing events, it is about the bootstrap step we
> would like to avoid. Buffering events, or reading all device
> information from sysfs at this stage introduces a hard checkpoint,
> where we need to bring a process up process these events and create
> nodes for them. Only after that we can start other things in userspace
> which depend on a working /dev, and with the kernel populated one, we
> can just go ahead.
So if udevd was present before the kernel started scanning devices this
would not be as much of a problem, would it?
(Couldn't udevd trigger the device scan? Could it be started so early as
for this not to matter?)
And isn't part of the problem that you have a choke point in the
dependency graph - namely "/dev working" as a predicate for running
certain services/scripts - instead of more fine-grained dependencies for
just the devices they need?
Regards,
Lars
--
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SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg)
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-04 16:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-30 13:23 [PATCH] driver-core: devtmpfs - driver core maintained /dev tmpfs Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 5:29 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 6:17 ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 6:43 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 6:55 ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 7:03 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 10:52 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:38 ` Michael Tokarev
2009-05-01 11:44 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:03 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-01 11:11 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 13:18 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-01 13:24 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 7:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-02 13:46 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 15:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2009-05-02 15:35 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 18:20 ` Michael Riepe
2009-05-02 19:55 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-02 21:47 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 16:20 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree [this message]
2009-05-04 16:53 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 17:54 ` Michael Riepe
2009-05-04 18:13 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 18:55 ` Michael Riepe
2009-05-04 19:13 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 19:30 ` Greg KH
2009-05-02 1:24 ` Brian Swetland
2009-05-02 1:48 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 2:02 ` Brian Swetland
2009-05-02 2:28 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 4:42 ` Brian Swetland
2009-05-02 13:30 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:01 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-01 11:02 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:16 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 19:26 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 21:59 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 22:21 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 6:57 ` Chris Wedgwood
2009-05-01 14:01 ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 15:43 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 16:04 ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 21:13 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 15:53 ` Chris Wedgwood
2009-05-01 16:09 ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 16:17 ` Chris Wedgwood
2009-05-01 10:19 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 11:13 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 12:38 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 13:12 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-02 15:03 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-05-01 14:55 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:41 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-01 11:59 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 7:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-02 11:34 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 20:22 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-02 21:39 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 22:04 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-03 7:29 ` Michael Tokarev
2009-05-02 21:41 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-02 21:54 ` Greg KH
2009-05-02 21:59 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 16:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-02 17:57 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-06 12:56 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-07 1:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-07 2:08 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-07 2:25 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-07 2:40 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-14 9:28 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 8:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-07 9:28 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-07 14:43 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-07 15:13 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-10 0:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-10 0:56 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-10 2:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
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