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From: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>
To: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	Alan Jenkins <sourcejedi.lkml@googlemail.com>
Cc: Michael Riepe <michael.riepe@googlemail.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jan Blunck <jblunck@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] driver-core: devtmpfs - driver core maintained /dev tmpfs
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 18:20:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090504162011.GO17956@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ac3eb2510905021447m1fad2382h342b4d4279b75d3d@mail.gmail.com>

On 2009-05-02T23:47:03, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org> wrote:

> It is not about missing events, it is about the bootstrap step we
> would like to avoid. Buffering events, or reading all device
> information from sysfs at this stage introduces a hard checkpoint,
> where we need to bring a process up process these events and create
> nodes for them. Only after that we can start other things in userspace
> which depend on a working /dev, and with the kernel populated one, we
> can just go ahead.

So if udevd was present before the kernel started scanning devices this
would not be as much of a problem, would it? 

(Couldn't udevd trigger the device scan? Could it be started so early as
for this not to matter?)

And isn't part of the problem that you have a choke point in the
dependency graph - namely "/dev working" as a predicate for running
certain services/scripts - instead of more fine-grained dependencies for
just the devices they need?


Regards,
    Lars

-- 
SuSE Labs, OPS Engineering, Novell, Inc.
SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg)
"Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." -- Oscar Wilde


  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-04 16:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-30 13:23 [PATCH] driver-core: devtmpfs - driver core maintained /dev tmpfs Kay Sievers
2009-05-01  5:29 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  6:17   ` Greg KH
2009-05-01  6:43     ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  6:55       ` Greg KH
2009-05-01  7:03         ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 10:52           ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:38             ` Michael Tokarev
2009-05-01 11:44               ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:03         ` Alan Cox
2009-05-01 11:11           ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 13:18             ` Alan Cox
2009-05-01 13:24               ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02  7:19                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-02 13:46                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 15:18                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2009-05-02 15:35                       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 18:20                 ` Michael Riepe
2009-05-02 19:55                   ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-02 21:47                     ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 16:20                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree [this message]
2009-05-04 16:53                         ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 17:54                           ` Michael Riepe
2009-05-04 18:13                             ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 18:55                               ` Michael Riepe
2009-05-04 19:13                                 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 19:30                                 ` Greg KH
2009-05-02  1:24         ` Brian Swetland
2009-05-02  1:48           ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02  2:02             ` Brian Swetland
2009-05-02  2:28               ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02  4:42                 ` Brian Swetland
2009-05-02 13:30                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:01     ` Alan Cox
2009-05-01 11:02       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:16   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 19:26     ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 21:59       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 22:21         ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  6:57 ` Chris Wedgwood
2009-05-01 14:01   ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 15:43     ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 16:04       ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 21:13         ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 15:53     ` Chris Wedgwood
2009-05-01 16:09       ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 16:17         ` Chris Wedgwood
2009-05-01 10:19 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 11:13   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 12:38     ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 13:12       ` Alan Cox
2009-05-02 15:03         ` Kyle Moffett
2009-05-01 14:55       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:41 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-01 11:59   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02  7:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-02 11:34   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 20:22     ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-02 21:39       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 22:04         ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-03  7:29           ` Michael Tokarev
2009-05-02 21:41       ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-02 21:54         ` Greg KH
2009-05-02 21:59         ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 16:59   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-02 17:57     ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-06 12:56 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-07  1:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-07  2:08   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-07  2:25     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-07  2:40       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-14  9:28     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07  8:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-07  9:28   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-07 14:43     ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-07 15:13       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-10  0:29     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-10  0:56       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-10  2:11         ` Eric W. Biederman

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