public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
Cc: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
	Li Hong <lihong.hi@gmail.com>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] usb: use memdup_user()
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:22:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090505102253.6993f381.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200905051244.01698.oliver@neukum.org>

On Tue, 5 May 2009 12:44:01 +0200 Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org> wrote:

> Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 08:11:57 schrieb Andrew Morton:
> > On Mon, 4 May 2009 16:01:51 +0200 Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org> wrote:
> 
> > > I want people to be forced to think about memory allocations.
> > > We had endless trouble during 2.4 with storage deadlocking.
> > > We simply need full control of this.
> >
> > thou-shalt-use-GFP_NOFS is a very common pattern in many filesystems.
> > And thou-shalt-use-GFP_NOIO is a very common pattern in block drivers.
> 
> USB drivers are interface level yet some functions, reset and power
> management, are on a device level. As it is unpredictable whether
> a driver will share a device with a storage driver, all USB drivers as far as
> these functions are concerned must be considered block device drivers.
> That's the reason GFP_NOIO is so prevalent in USB.

There must be some particular action which flips the thread of control
from one state to the other.  eg, taking of a lock.

> > I wonder how hard it would be to add runtime debugging checks?  If
> 
> I'd prefer compile time checks. Ideally we'd annotate a function with an
> attribute making the compiler barf if copy_to/from_user or an inappropriate
> kmalloc is used. It can't be perfect due to function pointers, but it would
> be a good start.

I don't think that would have enough coverage - bugs in this area tend
to come from calling some function which looks innocent, but which
calls some function which calls some function which calls some function
which uses GFP_KERNEL.

And then there's stuff like "usb takes a mutex which is also taken by
some other thread which does a GFP_KERNEL allocation while holding that
mutex".


  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-05 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-03 16:00 [PATCH] usb: use memdup_user() Li Hong
2009-05-03 16:28 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-03 17:09 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-04  3:38   ` Li Hong
2009-05-04  6:54     ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-04  7:02       ` David Brownell
2009-05-04  7:41         ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-04 14:53           ` Greg KH
2009-05-04 15:13             ` Li Hong
2009-05-05  8:50             ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-04 14:01         ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-05  6:11           ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-05 10:44             ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-05 17:22               ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2009-05-06 13:34                 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-06 18:31                   ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-06 18:44                     ` Oliver Neukum

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20090505102253.6993f381.akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --to=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=david-b@pacbell.net \
    --cc=lihong.hi@gmail.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-usb@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=oliver@neukum.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox