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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	gorcunov@openvz.org, kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
	mel@csn.ul.ie, cl@linux-foundation.org, riel@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rientjes@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: Introduce GFP_PANIC for early-boot allocations
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:19:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090509091911.GA13784@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A054156.60501@cs.helsinki.fi>


* Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi> wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
> Andrew Morton wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 May 2009 18:10:28 +0300
>> Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi> wrote:
>>
>>> +#define GFP_PANIC	(__GFP_NOFAIL | __GFP_NORETRY)
>>
>> urgh, you have to be kidding me.  This significantly worsens complexity
>> and risk in core MM and it's just yuk.
>>
>> I think we can justify pulling such dopey party tricks to save 
>> pageframe space, or bits in page.flags and such.  But just to 
>> save a scrap of memory which would have been released during boot 
>> anwyay?  Don't think so.
>
> No, I wasn't kidding and I don't agree that it "significantly 
> worsens complexity". The point is not to save memory but to 
> clearly annotate those special call-sites that really don't need 
> to check for out-of-memory.

Frankly, i cannot believe that so many smart people dont see the 
simple, universal, un-arguable truism in the following statement:

 it is shorter, tidier, more maintainable, more reviewable to write:

	ptr = kmalloc(GFP_BOOT, size);

 than to write:

	ptr = kmalloc(GFP_KERNEL, size);
	BUG_ON(!ptr);

We have a lot of such patterns in platform code. Dozens and dozens 
of them.

There _might_ be some more nuanced second-level arguments: "yes, I 
agree in principle, but complexity elsewhere or other side-effects 
make this a net negative change."

Alas, those arguments would be wrong too:

 - we have a lot of such patterns and GFP_BOOT is unambigious 

 - post-bootup mis-use of GFP_BOOT could be warned about 
   unconditionally if used after free_initmem(), if we care enough.

 - Pekka's patch is dead simple. There's no "complexity" anywhere.

Agreeing to this and introducing this should have been a matter of 
30 seconds of thinking. Why are we still arguing about this? Dont we 
have enough bugs to worry about?

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-09  9:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-08 15:10 [PATCH 1/2] mm: Introduce GFP_PANIC for early-boot allocations Pekka Enberg
2009-05-08 15:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-08 15:41   ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-09  8:31     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-08 20:56 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-09  8:39   ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-09  9:19     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-05-09  9:19       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-09  9:31         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-09  9:32       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-10  3:34       ` Andrew Morton

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