From: Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Suresh B Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
Venkatesh Pallipadi <venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Vatsa <vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Arun Bharadwaj <arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] Saving power by cpu evacuation sched_max_capacity_pct=n
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:28:29 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090514145045.GH4853@dirshya.in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090513151054.GY19296@one.firstfloor.org>
* Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> [2009-05-13 17:10:54]:
> > > Yes that's fine and common, but you actually need to save power for this,
> > > which throttling doesn't do.
> > >
> > > My understanding this work is a extension of the existing
> > > sched_mc_power_savings features that tries to be optionally more
> > > aggressive to keep complete package idle so that package level
> > > power saving kicks in.
> > >
> > > I'm just requesting that they don't call that throttling.
> >
> > Ah no, this work differs in that regard in that it actually 'generates'
> > idle time, instead of optimizing idle time.
>
> That is what i meant with "more aggressive to keep complete packages idle"
> above.
Hi Andi,
There is a difference in the framework as Peter has mentioned, we are
trying to create idle times by forcefully reducing work. From an
end-user point of view, this can be seen as a logical extension of
sched_mc_power_savings... v1 of the RFC extends the framework.
However Ingo suggested that the knob is not intuitive and hence I have
tried to switch to a percentage knob sched_max_capacity_pct.
I am interested in an easy, simple and intuitive framework to evacuate
cores which may imply forcefully reducing (throttling) work.
> > Therefore it takes actual cpu time away from real work, which is
> > throttling. Granted, one could call it limiting or similar, but
> > throttling is a correct name.
>
> That will be always ongoing confusion with the existing established
> term.
>
> If you really need to call it throttling use "scheduler throttling"
> or something like that, but a different word would be better.
I think 'scheduler throttling' is good so that we avoid the term 'CPU
throttling' or core throttling. I had named this cpu evacuation or
core evacuation just to avoid confusion with hardware throttling.
--Vaidy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-14 14:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-13 13:11 [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] Saving power by cpu evacuation sched_max_capacity_pct=n Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-05-13 13:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] sched: add sched_max_capacity_pct Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-05-13 13:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] sched: loadbalancer hacks for forced packing of tasks Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-05-13 13:14 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] Saving power by cpu evacuation sched_max_capacity_pct=n Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-13 13:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] Saving power by cpu evacuationsched_max_capacity_pct=n Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-05-13 13:45 ` Balbir Singh
2009-05-13 13:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-13 14:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] Saving power by cpuevacuationsched_max_capacity_pct=n Balbir Singh
2009-05-13 14:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] Saving power by cpu evacuation sched_max_capacity_pct=n Andi Kleen
2009-05-13 14:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-13 14:46 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-13 14:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-13 15:01 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-13 15:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-13 15:10 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-14 14:58 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan [this message]
2009-05-14 15:06 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-14 15:43 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-05-14 15:13 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-05-19 20:40 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-22 9:14 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-05-28 20:36 ` Pavel Machek
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20090514145045.GH4853@dirshya.in.ibm.com \
--to=svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com \
--cc=a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl \
--cc=andi@firstfloor.org \
--cc=arjan@infradead.org \
--cc=arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com \
--cc=balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com \
--cc=dipankar@in.ibm.com \
--cc=efault@gmx.de \
--cc=ego@in.ibm.com \
--cc=gregory.haskins@gmail.com \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=mingo@elte.hu \
--cc=suresh.b.siddha@intel.com \
--cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
--cc=vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com \
--cc=venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox