From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@novell.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Re: [GIT PULL] xen /proc/mtrr implementation
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:08:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090519110837.GA10548@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A12A46A02000078000017E1@vpn.id2.novell.com>
* Jan Beulich <JBeulich@novell.com> wrote:
> >>> Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> 19.05.09 11:59 >>>
>
> > Exactly what is 'bizarre' about using the API defined by the
> > _CPU_ already, without adding any ad-hoc hypecall? Catch the
> > dom0 WRMSRs, filter out the MTRR indices - that's it.
>
> But that is *not* the same as using the hypercalls: The hypercall
> tells Xen "Change all CPUs' MTRRs with the indicated index to the
> indicated value", while the MSR write says "Change the MTRR with
> the given index on the physical CPU the current virtual CPU
> happens to run on to the given value". [...]
The change of MTRR's on _any_ of the guest CPUs in a dom0 context
should immediately be refected on all CPUs. Assymetric MTRR settings
are madness.
( And the thing is, changing MTRRs is fragile and racy on native
Linux no matter what - even without any hypervisors - due to SMM
contexts possibly relying on them etc. )
> [...] A write-base/write-mask pair may happen to get interrupted
> (preempted) by the hypervisor, and hence the two writes may happen
> on different pCPU-s. Teaching the hypervisor to (correctly!) guess
> what the guest meant in that situation isn't trivial, as then it
> needs to handle all possible situations (and it can never know
> whether Dom0 really intended to do something that may look
> bogus/inconsistent at the first glance). [...]
None of this is a problem really if a sane approach is used: a
change to the MTRR state on dom0 is applied symmetrically on all
CPUs.
Or, alternatively, the hypervisor can expose its own administrative
interface to manage MTRRs.
There's no need to fuglify the Linux kernel for that.
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-19 11:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-12 23:27 [GIT PULL] xen /proc/mtrr implementation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:27 ` [PATCH 1/6] xen: set cpu_callout_mask to make mtrr work Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:27 ` [PATCH 2/6] xen mtrr: Use specific cpu_has_foo macros instead of generic cpu_has() Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:27 ` [PATCH 3/6] xen mtrr: Use generic_validate_add_page() Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:27 ` [PATCH 4/6] xen mtrr: Implement xen_get_free_region() Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:27 ` [PATCH 5/6] xen mtrr: Add xen_{get,set}_mtrr() implementations Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:27 ` [PATCH 6/6] xen mtrr: Kill some unnecessary includes Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-13 13:30 ` [GIT PULL] xen /proc/mtrr implementation Ingo Molnar
2009-05-13 14:39 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-15 18:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-15 20:09 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-15 23:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-15 23:49 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-16 3:22 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-16 4:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-16 18:22 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-18 5:02 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-18 4:57 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-18 8:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-18 13:17 ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2009-05-18 17:51 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-18 18:07 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-19 9:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-19 10:22 ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2009-05-19 11:08 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-05-19 12:04 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-05-19 12:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-19 12:32 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-19 12:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-19 13:21 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-05-19 13:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-19 13:51 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-05-19 14:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-19 14:55 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-05-19 15:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-20 8:01 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-05-20 16:35 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-20 16:12 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-20 8:16 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-20 16:39 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-20 22:52 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-20 22:49 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-20 23:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-05-25 8:42 [Xen-devel] " Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-05-25 9:15 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-25 9:31 ` Jan Beulich
2009-05-25 9:47 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-25 16:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
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