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From: Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 16/18] MAINTAINERS - Remove L: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org from all but "THE REST"
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:02:57 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090527060257.GA11029@linux-sh.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090526230022.015b579d.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:00:22PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2009 14:50:06 +0900 Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:38:38PM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 10:33 +0900, Paul Mundt wrote:
> > > > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:51:24PM -0600, Grant Likely wrote:
> > > > > Do subsystem maintainers think so?  Unless they do (and tell others
> > > > > so), I don't think it will actually happen.  Until that point, I don't
> > > > > think the L:linux-kernel lines should be removed.
> > > > > 
> > > > Ultimately it should come to common sense. If you are only touching
> > > > subsystem or architecture-specific code and it's unlikely anyone on l-k
> > > > is going to care, or have much to add to it, then there really isn't a
> > > > lot of point in mindlessly Cc-ing the list on every change.
> > > 
> > > And if you already know who or to what list you
> > > want to submit a patch to, the MAINTAINERS entry
> > > doesn't much matter.
> > > 
> > That's not true. If I have to hack something up in some random subsystem
> > then I will often have to hunt for both the list address (if there is one
> > at all!), as well as the folks looking after that code. Yes, I could
> > blindly send it to a given list, but it's much more likely to fall
> > through than sending it directly to the people who care.
> > 
> > MAINTAINERS is very useful for randomly looking up people and email
> > addresses, especially if they aren't people you routinely interact with.
> > It's also much faster to look through than remembering the proper
> > incantation for a specific perl script ;-)
> > 
> > Knowing where to look and knowing who to talk to are two different
> > things. Most subsystem maintainers only interact with a small group of
> > other subsystem maintainers on any sort of regular basis, while things
> > like build errors in -next often send you scurrying one way or the other.
> 
> Most subsystem maintainers shed patches like a hobo does dandruff.  If
> it is cc'ed to lkml then there is a decent chance that I will see it
> and will un-lose it.
> 
> This happens probably 100 or more times per kernel release.

Clearly all of the subsystems that matter are using patchwork ;-)

  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-27  6:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-24  2:37 [PATCH 00/18] MAINTAINERS and scripts/get_maintainer.pl updates Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 01/18] scripts/get_maintainer.pl - Output first field only in mailing lists and after maintainers Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 02/18] scripts/get_maintainer.pl - Better fix for subscriber-only mailing lists Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 03/18] scripts/get_maintainer.pl - improve --git-chief-penquins (Linus Torvalds) filtering Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 04/18] scripts/get_maintainer.pl - Warn on missing git or git repository Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 05/18] scripts/get_maintainer.pl - support M: lines with names and multiple entries per M: line Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 06/18] scripts/get_maintainer.pl - Better email name quoting Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 07/18] scripts/get_maintainer.pl - Support both "P:/M:" and integrated "M:" lines Joe Perches
     [not found]   ` <20090526144141.570594cf.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
     [not found]     ` <1243455722.27337.65.camel@Joe-Laptop.home>
     [not found]       ` <20090527151510.fb773db6.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
2009-06-01 17:45         ` Script to integrate MAINTAINERS P: and M: lines Joe Perches
2009-06-02  9:12           ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-05 21:47           ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-06-05 22:57             ` Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 08/18] scripts/get_maintainer.pl - Don't print maintainers when not requested Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 09/18] scripts/get_maintainer.pl - Allow 8 bit characters in email addresses Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 10/18] scripts/get_maintainer.pl - change "die" to "warn" when command line file is not a patch Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 11/18] MAINTAINERS - Swap mismarked ECRYPT FS M: and P: entries Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 12/18] MAINTAINERS - Pair EDAC-E752X P: and M: entries Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 13/18] MAINTAINERS - Add file patterns to "THE REST" Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 14/18] MAINTAINERS - Update M32R file patterns after rename Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 15/18] MAINTAINERS - Mark ALSA lists as moderated Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 16/18] MAINTAINERS - Remove L: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org from all but "THE REST" Joe Perches
2009-05-24  3:18   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-24  3:22     ` Joe Perches
2009-05-24  4:28       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-24  4:39         ` Joe Perches
2009-05-24  4:51           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-24  4:58             ` Joe Perches
2009-05-27  1:33             ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27  5:38               ` Joe Perches
2009-05-27  5:50                 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27  6:00                   ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-27  6:02                     ` Paul Mundt [this message]
2009-05-27 16:12                     ` Joe Perches
2009-05-24 10:42         ` Mark Brown
2009-05-26 23:42   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-27 18:18     ` [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Add Paul McKenney to RCU and RCUTORTURE Joe Perches
2009-05-27 21:03       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 17/18] MAINTAINERS - Mention scripts/get_maintainer.pl in the preface Joe Perches
2009-05-24  2:37 ` [PATCH 18/18] MAINTAINERS - Add file pattern to CISCO FCOE HBA DRIVER Joe Perches

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