From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751273AbZE2EGR (ORCPT ); Fri, 29 May 2009 00:06:17 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750816AbZE2EGB (ORCPT ); Fri, 29 May 2009 00:06:01 -0400 Received: from 74-93-104-97-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([74.93.104.97]:47090 "EHLO sunset.davemloft.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750798AbZE2EGA (ORCPT ); Fri, 29 May 2009 00:06:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20090528.210559.137121893.davem@davemloft.net> To: jeremy@goop.org Cc: mingo@elte.hu, dan.magenheimer@oracle.com, avi@redhat.com, George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, gregkh@suse.de, kurt.hackel@oracle.com, Ian.Pratt@citrix.com, xen-users@lists.xensource.com, ksrinivasan@novell.com, EAnderson@novell.com, wimcoekaerts@wimmekes.net, stephen.spector@citrix.com, jens.axboe@oracle.com, npiggin@suse.de Subject: Re: Xen is a feature From: David Miller In-Reply-To: <4A1F302E.8030501@goop.org> References: <162f4c90-6431-4a2a-b337-6d7451d7b11e@default> <20090528001350.GD26820@elte.hu> <4A1F302E.8030501@goop.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.2.51 on Emacs 22.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:45:34 -0700 > Ingo Molnar wrote: >> Xen changes - especially dom0 - are overwhelmingly not about improving >> Linux, but about having some special hook and extra treatment in >> random places - and that's really bad. >> > > You've made this argument a few times now, and I take exception to it. > > It seems to be predicated on the idea that Xen has some kind of niche > usage, with barely more users than Voyager. Or that it is a parasite > sitting on the side of Linux, being a pure drain. I don't see Ingo's comments, whether I agree with them or not, as an implication of Xen being niche. Rather I see his comments as an opposition to how Xen is implemented. > We're taking your technical critiques very seriously, of course, and I > appreciate any constructive comment. But your baseline position of > animosity towards Xen is unreasonable, unfair and unnecessary. I don't see any animosity at all in what Ingo has said.