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From: Robert Schwebel <r.schwebel@pengutronix.de>
To: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
Cc: Robert Schwebel <r.schwebel@pengutronix.de>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	devicetree-discuss <devicetree-discuss@ozlabs.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk,
	Janboe Ye <yuan-bo.ye@motorola.com>,
	Timur Tabi <timur@freescale.com>,
	rmk@arm.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 02:07:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090528000707.GR6805@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A1DD3A0.3010501@freescale.com>

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:58:24PM -0500, Scott Wood wrote:
> Robert Schwebel wrote:
>> The oftree by design wants to be a complete hardware description. As
>> you mention above, there are cases where you *nevertheless* need
>> ad-hoc information about things *not* encoded into the device tree.
>>
>> This renders the whole concept ad absurdum. You need a machine number
>> again - and if you need that: why not stay with the ARM model, define
>> everything with platform data and avoid the whole thing?
>
> Because it's better to have a little platform specific code than a lot
> of it?

Until now, oftree has created more problems than it has solved for us.
The idea works fine for well-known things like memory maps and
interrupts. It works badly for corner cases, and embedded land is full
of it. The effort to get the oftree stuff right is often more than a
magnitude of order higher than the effort for the actual functionality.
That should be an alarm sign that something is wrong.

rsc
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-28  0:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-27  7:08 [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform Janboe Ye
2009-05-27 14:27 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 14:39   ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 15:05     ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 15:39       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 16:20         ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 20:35           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 23:48             ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 23:52               ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:58               ` Scott Wood
2009-05-28  0:02                 ` David Miller
2009-05-28  0:07                 ` Robert Schwebel [this message]
2009-05-28  0:15                   ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:37                     ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 22:32                       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-29 12:34                         ` Mark Brown
2009-05-30  9:52                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-30 10:21                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-30 17:56                               ` Mark Brown
2009-06-02  7:57                               ` Holger Schurig
2009-06-02  9:48                                 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28  2:57                   ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  3:36                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:29                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  9:51                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-05-28  9:59                       ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:13                       ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 13:33                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:42                           ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28  9:38                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-05-28  3:21                 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:16               ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  0:55           ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2009-05-27 18:56         ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-27 20:46           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:32             ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-27 15:41       ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-27 16:23         ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 17:56           ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:08             ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:13               ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 19:21                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-27 19:39                   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:22                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:19                       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:54                         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:04                           ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:58                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 23:57                       ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28  0:00                         ` David Miller
2009-05-28  3:21                         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  6:34                           ` Wolfram Sang
2009-05-28  7:55                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:34                             ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  7:48                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:22                       ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-27 20:28                     ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:31                       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28  2:52                   ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  4:27                     ` David Miller
2009-05-28  4:47                       ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  5:31                         ` David Miller
2009-05-28  5:47                           ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:47                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:17                 ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-28 14:24                   ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 14:47                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 19:29               ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:47                 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2009-05-27 19:53                 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:54                   ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 20:25                     ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:27                       ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 20:55                         ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:26                           ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 20:35                       ` M. Warner Losh
2009-05-27 20:14                   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:23                 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:27                   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:48                     ` Josh Boyer
2009-05-27 20:56                     ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:52                 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 21:05                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  0:11                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 12:43                     ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 13:18                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 15:04                         ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 15:27                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-29  0:51                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  7:52                             ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-29  9:08                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-31 10:52                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 14:31                       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:25                   ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  8:10                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  7:38               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 20:43             ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  7:37             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  9:15               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28  9:57                 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:11                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:33                     ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 10:34                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 22:33                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:14                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 21:30                     ` David Miller
2009-05-28 12:17                   ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-28 12:48                     ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 12:55                       ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 14:13                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 16:53                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 17:05                         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 18:46                         ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 22:21                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  1:39                         ` David Gibson
2009-05-29  1:59                           ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-29  3:52                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  4:11                               ` David Miller
2009-05-29  4:11                             ` David Miller
2009-05-29  4:56                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  5:11                                 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:00                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 11:44                 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28 12:47                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 14:39                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:54                 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 18:26           ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-27 16:32       ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 18:50         ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 22:24           ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28  0:04             ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:07               ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 20:42         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:38           ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28  3:02       ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:32       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:38         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 22:01     ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-28  8:17       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 12:43     ` Holger Schurig
2009-05-28 13:12       ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 17:44   ` Russell King
2009-05-27 17:52     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:44       ` David Gibson
2009-05-30 11:22 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-31  1:29   ` Kyle Moffett
2009-05-31  5:56     ` David Miller
2009-06-01  8:37     ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-31 10:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-01  9:24   ` Stephen Rothwell
2009-06-01 10:36   ` Janboe Ye

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