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From: Alexander Clouter <alex@digriz.org.uk>
To: david@lang.hm
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sefi@s-e-f-i.de
Subject: Re: When does Linux drop UDP packets?
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:29:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090605192933.GH2014@woodchuck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0906051214140.9159@asgard>

Hi,

* david@lang.hm <david@lang.hm> [2009-06-05 12:15:27-0700]:
> 
> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Alexander Clouter wrote:
> 
> > * david@lang.hm <david@lang.hm> [2009-06-04 16:19:56-0700]:
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Alexander Clouter wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's dead easy to transmit and receive multicast traffic, broadcasting
> > > > network traffic is so 1980's :)
> > > 
> > > there is only a difference between multicast and broadcast traffic if you
> > > are spanning subnets.
> > > 
> > Well yes and no.  Broadcast traffic is *always* handled by the kernel as
> > only the kernel can tell if it is interested in it or not.  With
> > multicast the NIC is configured to only pass particular
> > Ethernet multicast packets up to the kernel.
> > 
> > By using broadcast traffic the load (okay, hardly a big problem
> > now-a-days) hits *all* the workstations on the subnet, with multicast,
> > only those interested in the traffic receive it.
> 
> true, but only for some NICs, and even those tend to have a fairly small  
> number of slots for the filters. past these limits the OS handles it all  
> just like broadcasts.
> 
I *think* only the early ones have a naff non-hashing based to filter 
multicast flows, could be wrong though.

Either way, as a packet pusher by day, I dream of the venduh's 
discovering that multicast can be used for device discovery rather than 
expecting everything to be on the same subnet :-/

In this day and age, using broadcast to do a job is just plain lazy and 
braindead.

Cheers

-- 
Alexander Clouter
.sigmonster says: Misuse may cause suffocation.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-05 19:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-04 14:53 When does Linux drop UDP packets? Philipp Reh
2009-06-04 15:57 ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]   ` <20090604161015.GA17303@miyuki>
     [not found]     ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0906041222450.14994@gandalf.stny.rr.com>
2009-06-04 16:34       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-04 16:57         ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-04 17:46         ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-06-04 21:07           ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-04 17:57   ` david
2009-06-04 18:44     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-06-04 18:49       ` david
2009-06-11 23:40   ` Nifty niftylinkern Mitch
2009-06-04 22:03 ` Alexander Clouter
2009-06-04 23:19   ` david
2009-06-05 19:10     ` Alexander Clouter
2009-06-05 19:15       ` david
2009-06-05 19:29         ` Alexander Clouter [this message]
2009-06-24  7:47     ` Herbert Xu
2009-06-25  4:32       ` david
2009-06-25  5:00         ` Herbert Xu
2009-06-25  5:37           ` david
2009-06-25  6:13             ` Herbert Xu
2009-06-25  7:38               ` Alexander Clouter

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