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From: Ben Dooks <ben@fluff.org>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: linux@arm.linux.org.uk, pavel@ucw.cz,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk, ibm@android.com,
	swetland@google.com, san@android.com, rlove@google.com
Subject: Re: HTC Dream aka. t-mobile g1 support
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:38:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090613003849.GC20442@fluff.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090611.000219.206893038.davem@davemloft.net>

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:02:19AM -0700, David Miller wrote:
> From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:48:52 +0100
> 
> > In short not as far as I know, and I'm very disappointed with the state
> > of affairs with google.
> 
> And of course, this whole android situation has absolutely nothing to
> do with how much of a pain in that ass you are to deal with as ARM
> maintainer.

If you mean 'pain' as 'having standards', then you're probably right.
I bet some of the moaning is coming from the people who seem to expect
that since they've written some cess-pool which sort of works for
their specific case (a number of vendors fit this category) then they
have some right to expect it to be merged into mainline.

What's worse is that often trying to convince the vendors that their
paritcualy pile of sick is in need of work either gets ignored by the
management or if taken in by the techies, is often lost as a these
'porting' teams are often disbanded or moved onto something else by
the time the next task comes around.

If it wasn't for people with some form of standards devoting their
time to trying to keep the tide of evil that some of these companies
try to perpetrate out of the kernel, we'd be swimming in an
unmanagable mess by now.

-- 
Ben (ben@fluff.org, http://www.fluff.org/)

  'a smiley only costs 4 bytes'

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-06-13  0:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-10 10:31 HTC Dream aka. t-mobile g1 support Pavel Machek
2009-06-10 11:13 ` Ian Molton
2009-06-10 11:49   ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-10 12:04     ` Ian Molton
2009-06-10 17:43 ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-10 19:47   ` Bob Copeland
2009-06-11  7:24     ` Kalle Valo
2009-06-10 19:58   ` Gary Thomas
2009-06-10 20:09     ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-11  8:10   ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-11  8:27     ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-11 11:09       ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-11 11:24         ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-11 11:48           ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-11 11:53             ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-11 14:57               ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-11 14:58               ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-13  0:41           ` Tim Bird
2009-06-11 12:45         ` Bob Copeland
2009-06-11 13:00           ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-11 15:09             ` Bob Copeland
2009-06-11 14:33     ` Alex Riesen
2009-06-11 14:51       ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-10 19:48 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-10 20:24   ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-10 20:47     ` MSM6281 support was: " Stefan Schmidt
2009-06-10 21:08       ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-10 21:28         ` Stefan Schmidt
2009-06-10 21:28         ` Marek Vasut
2009-06-10 21:33           ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-10 22:10             ` Stefan Schmidt
2009-06-10 22:19               ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-11  4:02                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-06-11  7:50                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-10 21:05     ` Daniel Walker
2009-06-10 21:37     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-10 21:55       ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-11  8:25         ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-11  8:48           ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-12 15:05             ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-12 15:48               ` David Brown
2009-06-12 16:00               ` David Brown
2009-06-12 16:43                 ` Stefan Schmidt
2009-06-12 16:55                   ` davidb
2009-06-12 17:35                     ` Stefan Schmidt
2009-06-12 20:47               ` HTC Dream compile fixes (was Re: HTC Dream aka. t-mobile g1 support) Pavel Machek
2009-06-12 20:50               ` HTC Dream aka. t-mobile g1 support Brian Swetland
2009-06-12 22:02                 ` Ian Molton
2009-06-12 22:27                   ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-12 22:31                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-12 22:36                       ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-15 17:06                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-12 22:04                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-15 17:01                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-15 17:10                   ` Bill Gatliff
2009-06-15 18:32                   ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-17  9:11                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-17  9:40                       ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-17 17:16                         ` HTC Dream keymap (was Re: HTC Dream aka. t-mobile g1 support) Pavel Machek
2009-06-17 21:36                         ` HTC Dream aka. t-mobile g1 support Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-06-18 10:13                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-18 19:33                             ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-18 19:38                               ` David Miller
2009-06-18 23:07                                 ` defkeymap making machine useless (was Re: HTC Dream aka. t-mobile g1 support) Pavel Machek
2009-06-22  9:33                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2009-06-22 17:22                                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-23 13:06                         ` HTC Dream in 2.6.31-git? " Pavel Machek
2009-06-23 21:45                           ` davidb
2009-06-24  9:10                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-24 23:37                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-06-25 11:42                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-26 23:01                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-11  9:32     ` HTC Dream aka. t-mobile g1 support Mark Brown
2009-06-11  7:02   ` David Miller
2009-06-11  7:18     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11  7:37     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-11 10:00       ` Mark Brown
2009-06-11 10:34       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 10:44         ` David Miller
2009-06-11 10:47           ` David Miller
2009-06-11 11:05             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 11:11               ` David Miller
2009-06-11 10:55           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 11:04             ` David Miller
2009-06-11 11:12         ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-11 11:18           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 11:22             ` David Miller
2009-06-11 11:49               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 12:00                 ` David Miller
2009-06-11 12:38                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 12:54                     ` Alan Cox
2009-06-11 13:12                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 16:26                         ` Kevin Hilman
2009-06-11 16:57                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-07-22 17:54                         ` ARM platform trees (was: Re: HTC Dream aka. t-mobile g1 support) Kevin Hilman
2009-07-22 20:55                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 13:18                       ` HTC Dream aka. t-mobile g1 support Brian Swetland
2009-06-11 13:21                       ` Tony Lindgren
2009-06-11 13:37                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 14:00                           ` Tony Lindgren
2009-06-11 14:06                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 15:41                               ` Tony Lindgren
2009-06-11 15:51                                 ` Alan Cox
2009-06-11 17:29                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-06-11 21:22                                 ` Ryan Mallon
2009-06-11 21:40                                   ` H Hartley Sweeten
2009-06-12  1:21                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-06-12  1:26                                     ` Ryan Mallon
2009-06-12  1:51                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-06-12  2:16                                         ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-12 10:25                                           ` Ian Molton
2009-06-12 10:35                                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-12 10:40                                             ` Alan Cox
2009-06-12 10:44                                             ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-12 11:05                                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-13  7:05                                               ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-15 16:21                                                 ` davidb
2009-06-15 16:27                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-15 16:45                                                     ` davidb
2009-06-15 22:25                                                   ` Ben Leslie
2009-06-15 22:39                                                     ` davidb
2009-06-15 23:41                                                       ` Ben Leslie
2009-06-16  6:12                                                         ` davidb
2009-06-15 17:09                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-12  7:46                                       ` Alan Cox
2009-06-12 10:26                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2009-06-11 14:47                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-11 15:59                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 13:28                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 13:32                         ` Alan Cox
2009-06-11 13:21                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-11 15:52                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-12  1:27                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-11 15:15                     ` Joe Perches
2009-06-11 15:39                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 15:53                         ` Joe Perches
2009-06-11 16:08                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-11 16:37                             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-06-11 16:42                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-12  1:14                                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-06-12  1:23                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-12  8:39                                   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-06-12 17:44                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-12 18:38                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-06-12 23:40                                     ` David Miller
2009-06-12 23:43                                       ` David Miller
2009-06-11 18:24                       ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-06-13  0:30                         ` Ben Dooks
2009-06-13  9:02                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-13  9:13                             ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-06-13  9:51                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-13 10:59                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-06-13 19:36                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-15  9:39                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-06-15 12:55                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-15 15:59                                   ` Ian Molton
2009-06-16 15:15                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-12  1:33                     ` Ryan Mallon
2009-06-12 12:05                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-14  9:06                     ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-11 11:42             ` Brian Swetland
2009-06-11 11:18         ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-11 11:34         ` Alan Cox
2009-06-11 17:10       ` Ben Dooks
2009-06-11 17:53     ` Marek Vasut
2009-06-13  0:38     ` Ben Dooks [this message]
2009-06-13  2:16       ` David Miller

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