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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>, Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Hidetoshi Seto <seto.hidetoshi@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] ring-buffer: add design document
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:05:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090615000557.GB7918@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0906140837370.16299@gandalf.stny.rr.com>

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 08:39:03AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > > > +
> > > > > +Now the writer can update the head page. This is also why the head page must
> > > > > +remain in UPDATE and only reset by the outer most writer. This prevents
> > > > > +the reader from seeing the incorrect head page.
> > > > > +
> > > > > +
> > > > > +(first writer)
> > > > > +
> > > > > +               A        B    tail page
> > > > > +               |        |        |
> > > > > +               v        v        v
> > > > > +    +---+    +---+    +---+    +---+
> > > > > +<---|   |--->|   |--->|   |--->|   |-H->
> > > > > +--->|   |<---|   |<---|   |<---|   |<---
> > > > > +    +---+    +---+    +---+    +---+
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Even more tricky!
> > > > 
> > > > I just have a stupid question: why can't this be done
> > > > only through HEAD and NORMAL flags?
> > > > 
> > > > There is something certainly very obvious that I'm missing
> > > > with the point of the UPDATE flag.
> > > 
> > > If you can demonstrate how to do the above lockless with just HEAD and 
> > > NORMAL, then sure, I'm all ears ;-)
> > > 
> > > When we switch the HEAD to UPDATE, we stop the reader from moving forward 
> > > and being another thing to handle while we move the HEAD forward. A reader 
> > > does a cmpxchg to move the head too, and that cmpxchg will always fail if 
> > > the pointer is has UPDATE set. The reader will just spin until it 
> > > succeeds.
> > 
> > 
> > Aah, so it's here to protect against paralell readers from another cpu
> > reading the current cpu buffer, right?
> 
> Not readers, but reader. The reader side uses locks to serialize the
> accesses. The writer side is lockless.  But it is here to protect the 
> writers against a reader on another CPU.
> 
> -- Steve


Ok, my problem is that I've read this doc having in mind that the reader
we are talking about is always reading the buffer on the current cpu,
then a writer always preempt it. I forgot that a reader may also read
from another cpu.

Now I understand.

Thanks.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-15  0:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-10 19:53 [PATCH 0/3] [GIT PULL][for 2.6.32] lockless ring buffer Steven Rostedt
2009-06-10 19:53 ` [PATCH 1/3] ring-buffer: make the buffer a true circular link list Steven Rostedt
2009-06-11  1:12   ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-06-11  2:00     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-11  3:25       ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-06-11  3:35         ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-10 19:53 ` [PATCH 2/3] ring-buffer: make lockless Steven Rostedt
2009-06-10 19:53 ` [PATCH 3/3] ring-buffer: add design document Steven Rostedt
2009-06-10 22:13   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-06-11  1:55     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-11  3:51       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-06-11  3:59         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-06-11  4:15           ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-11 18:09             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-06-11  0:51   ` Huang Ying
2009-06-11  0:54     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-11  1:58     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-11  2:33       ` Huang Ying
2009-06-11  2:38         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-06-12  3:13           ` Huang Ying
2009-06-12  3:46             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-11  3:15   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2009-06-11  3:25     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-13  1:54   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-06-13  2:16     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-13 22:36       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-06-14 12:39         ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-15  0:05           ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2009-06-15  0:56   ` Frederic Weisbecker
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-07-08 20:13 [PATCH 0/3] [GIT PULL] rebase of lockless ring buffer Steven Rostedt
2009-07-08 20:13 ` [PATCH 3/3] ring-buffer: add design document Steven Rostedt

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