From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: eranian@gmail.com
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Maynard Johnson <mpjohn@us.ibm.com>, Carl Love <cel@us.ibm.com>,
Corey J Ashford <cjashfor@us.ibm.com>,
Philip Mucci <mucci@eecs.utk.edu>,
Dan Terpstra <terpstra@eecs.utk.edu>,
perfmon2-devel <perfmon2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: III.1 - Sampling period randomization
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:58:06 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090622115806.GO24366@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7c86c4470906161042p7fefdb59y10f8ef4275793f0e@mail.gmail.com>
> III/ Requests
>
> 1/ Sampling period randomization
>
> It is our experience (on Itanium, for instance), that for certain
> sampling measurements, it is beneficial to randomize the sampling
> period a bit. This is in particular the case when sampling on an
> event that happens very frequently and which is not related to
> timing, e.g., branch_instructions_retired. Randomization helps
> mitigate the bias. You do not need something sophisticated. But
> when you are using a kernel-level sampling buffer, you need to
> have the kernel randomize. Randomization needs to be supported per
> event.
This is on the todo list, it should be pretty straight forward to
implement. Basically add a u64 randomize:1 flag and a u64 rand_size,
and add some noise to hwc->sample_period in perf_counter_overflow(),
just like the .freq path does.
In fact the auto-freq sampling counters effectively randomize
already, as the path of stabilization/convergence is never exactly
the same. We could add a little bit of constant noise to the freq
counter and it would auto-correct automatically.
Since you seem to care abut this sub-feature, would you be
interested in sending a patch for that? The essential steps are:
- Take a new bit off perf_counter_attr::__reserved_1 and name
it attr.randomize.
- Inject a few bits of trivial noise into the period calculated
in kernel/perf_counter.c:perf_adjust_period(). The best place
would be to add it right before this line:
hwc->sample_period = sample_period;
If you add a small relative fuzz of below 1% to sample_period
then the code will auto-correct.
- All the tools deal just fine with variable periods already, so
there's no tooling updates needed, beyond adding a --randomize
flag to tools/perf/builtin-record.c.
Let us know if you need any help with any of this!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-06-22 11:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-06-16 17:42 v2 of comments on Performance Counters for Linux (PCL) stephane eranian
2009-06-22 11:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:49 ` I.1 - System calls - ioctl Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 12:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-06-22 13:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 17:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-07-13 10:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 17:30 ` [perfmon2] " Arnd Bergmann
2009-07-13 17:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 17:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-07-14 13:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-07-30 13:58 ` stephane eranian
2009-07-30 14:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-30 16:17 ` stephane eranian
2009-07-30 16:40 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-07-30 16:53 ` stephane eranian
2009-07-30 17:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-03 14:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-06-22 11:50 ` I.2 - Grouping Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 19:45 ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 22:04 ` Corey Ashford
2009-06-23 17:51 ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 21:38 ` Corey Ashford
2009-06-23 5:16 ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-23 7:36 ` stephane eranian
2009-06-23 8:26 ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-23 8:30 ` stephane eranian
2009-06-23 16:24 ` Corey Ashford
2009-06-22 11:51 ` I.3 - Multiplexing and system-wide Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:51 ` I.4 - Controlling group multiplexing Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:52 ` I.5 - Mmaped count Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 12:25 ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 12:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-06-22 12:54 ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 14:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-06-23 0:41 ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-23 0:39 ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-23 6:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-06-23 7:40 ` stephane eranian
2009-06-23 0:33 ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-22 11:53 ` I.6 - Group scheduling Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:54 ` I.7 - Group validity checking Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:54 ` I.8 - Generalized cache events Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:55 ` I.9 - Group reading Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:55 ` I.10 - Event buffer minimal useful size Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:56 ` I.11 - Missing definitions for generic events Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 14:54 ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 11:57 ` II.1 - Fixed counters on Intel Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 14:27 ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 11:57 ` II.2 - Event knowledge missing Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23 13:18 ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 11:58 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-06-22 11:58 ` IV.1 - Support for model-specific uncore PMU Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:59 ` IV.2 - Features impacting all counters Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 12:00 ` IV.3 - AMD IBS Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 14:08 ` [perfmon2] " Rob Fowler
2009-06-22 17:58 ` Maynard Johnson
2009-06-23 6:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-06-23 8:19 ` stephane eranian
2009-06-23 14:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23 14:25 ` stephane eranian
2009-06-23 14:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23 14:40 ` Rob Fowler
2009-06-22 19:17 ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 12:00 ` IV.4 - Intel PEBS Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 12:16 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-22 12:01 ` IV.5 - Intel Last Branch Record (LBR) Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 20:02 ` stephane eranian
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